Worth Trading a Knight or Bishop?

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27th June 2008, 07:01pm
#1
by mowque
PA United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 229

In your opinion, in most normal even games, is it smart to trade a Knight for a pawn and destruction of the King Side pawn sturcture? i find it make attacking eaiser, should i lose this idea at higher levels?

27th June 2008, 07:03pm
#2
by GotGoose
Indiana United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 242
It depends on the position.  Do you have any examples?
27th June 2008, 07:12pm
#3
by mowque
PA United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 229
i don;t want to use my ucrrent game.....i do it alot, so 'regardless' of exact position...........i like to break open the King, even at a high cost. Smart or foolish?
27th June 2008, 07:20pm
#4
by pvmike
Voorhees, NJ United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 581
It really depends on the position, you should try and look up the classic bishop sacrific, and learn when it works and when it doesn't.
27th June 2008, 07:21pm
#5
by battlebishop33
California United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 38
if it is out of nowhere and you don't really have a reasonable follow-up, it would be foolish.  If there is a forced variation afterwards that checkmates, wins more material than you sacrificed, or just leaves you with a positional edge while maintaining material equality (i.e. better pawn structure or pieces), then it is a smart thing to do.
28th June 2008, 03:50pm
#6
by Marshal_Dillon
New Jersey United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 407
I was taught to keep my bishop pair for the endgame, but it can be depend on the position. Knights are generally better in closed positions while bishops are better in open ones. Knights can fork, but bishops can skewer, so tactically they both have their own special ability. Knights have to get close to attack, while bishops can attack from close up or far away, so I have to give the advantage to the bishops there. Being stationed in a corner or on the edge of the board is generally a greater handicap for a knight than a bishop, advantage bishop. Knights can attack while there are pieces separating it from the piece it is attacking, bishops can't. Advantage knight. There is a historical precedent for valuing bishops from 1/4 to 1/2 point higher than a knight, and there is probably a good reason for it.
28th June 2008, 03:55pm
#7
by Zigalday
Hamburg United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 40
Marshal_Dillon wrote: I was taught to keep my bishop pair for the endgame, but it can be depend on the position. Knights are generally better in closed positions while bishops are better in open ones. Knights can fork, but bishops can skewer, so tactically they both have their own special ability. Knights have to get close to attack, while bishops can attack from close up or far away, so I have to give the advantage to the bishops there. Being stationed in a corner or on the edge of the board is generally a greater handicap for a knight than a bishop, advantage bishop. Knights can attack while there are pieces separating it from the piece it is attacking, bishops can't. Advantage knight. There is a historical precedent for valuing bishops from 1/4 to 1/2 point higher than a knight, and there is probably a good reason for it.

 Very well stated.


28th June 2008, 04:31pm
#8
by dwaxe
Thousand Oaks, California United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 893
Marshal_Dillon wrote: I was taught to keep my bishop pair for the endgame, but it can be depend on the position. Knights are generally better in closed positions while bishops are better in open ones. Knights can fork, but bishops can skewer, so tactically they both have their own special ability. Knights have to get close to attack, while bishops can attack from close up or far away, so I have to give the advantage to the bishops there. Being stationed in a corner or on the edge of the board is generally a greater handicap for a knight than a bishop, advantage bishop. Knights can attack while there are pieces separating it from the piece it is attacking, bishops can't. Advantage knight. There is a historical precedent for valuing bishops from 1/4 to 1/2 point higher than a knight, and there is probably a good reason for it.

 Also nothing to do with what the opening post asked.

Trading a knight or bishop for a pawn is ok in certain types of positions, such as a VERY open king or a trap with forced mate.

Otherwise, don't trade your knight for a pawn, it will only hurt you.


28th June 2008, 07:14pm
#9
by mowque
PA United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 229
thanks, i did it and i can see my attack floundering.....not sure if i can salvage the game, let alone the attack......
29th June 2008, 07:26am
#10
by emstrem
detroit United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 1
The man who taught me how to play chess loved his bishops, then my second teacher loved his knights and showed me how you could bounce around the enemy camp with them. This was important to me in that I learned the values of each, but that the position will dictate which is best. Sometimes an outposted knight is more dominant than winning an exchange. I've often let an opponent think he's saving his rook from my knight, not realizing the true danger they're in.Wink
29th June 2008, 08:01am
#11
by hellrazor
iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 56
no pawns in center go bishops closed up games knights
 

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