Age of Decline

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7th August 2009, 05:51am
#1
by TadDude
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 972

Is your ability to play chess in decline? At what age did you peak? (Without indicating your current age of course.)

"For most grandmasters, the drop is between 100 and 200 rating points. Others, though, retire rather than let their rating plummet."

"One picked age 27 as his peak year."

Will you quit now to preserve you chess.com rating forever? Laughing

http://www.latimes.com/features/puzzles/chess/la-ca-chess2-2009aug02,0,5390170.story

 

 

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8th August 2009, 11:23am
#2
by mowque
PA United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 326

My rating is hardly that important.

8th August 2009, 11:36am
#3
by DaPharaoh
Gaithersburg, MD United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1362

you never know when you peak, im sure i can teach a 40 year old to play chess and get him to a 1500 rating. how old was he when he peaked?

i havent experience old age so i wouldn't know, but i dont think people reach their full potential even when their ratings "peak"

8th August 2009, 04:30pm
#4
by NM tonydal
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4340

Since my highest USCF rating was when I was 28, I'm afraid I have to say yes (I just wish my # of member points on this site was my rating!).

8th August 2009, 04:58pm
#5
by ghostofmaroczy
United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 262

From a ( quick and rough ) study I did on World Champions it is clear that ability declines from age 34 onwards.  I asked in another thread when the peak age was.

9th August 2009, 07:45am
#6
by Pegrin
Charlotte, NC United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 230

From Chessmetrics:

On average for these top players, mid-20s to mid-30s were their best years. There tended to be a slow decline from mid-30s to mid-50s. Then the decline became steeper.

9th August 2009, 06:51pm
#7
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2660
Why does that happen? You're not losing THAT many brain cells at 34 are you? O_o
9th August 2009, 07:45pm
#8
by KillaBeez
Kansas United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 4060

But you're still losing brain cells.

9th August 2009, 07:55pm
#9
by Spiffe
Orlando, FL United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 945

I like Lasker's graph the best.  At age 55, he was STILL one of the strongest players of all time.

9th August 2009, 08:04pm
#10
by steevmartuns
Pennsylvania United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 526

Steintz and Lasker were both tanks well into their fifties. Very perseverant players. And I think part of the "decline" may be simply the physical stamina needed to play in tournaments and matches! As you get older, you just lose the stamina, it's how life works.

9th August 2009, 08:40pm
#11
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2660
steevmartuns wrote:

Steintz and Lasker were both tanks well into their fifties. Very perseverant players. And I think part of the "decline" may be simply the physical stamina needed to play in tournaments and matches! As you get older, you just lose the stamina, it's how life works.


Tell that to this guy. http://accel6.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/259x300/1/97/72/01/Photos-2/Bosboom-1.jpg
12th August 2009, 05:16am
#12
by NM tonydal
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4340
Spiffe wrote:

I like Lasker's graph the best. At age 55, he was STILL one of the strongest players of all time.


Agreed. At 66 he finished 1/2 point out of first at Moscow 1935--and clobbered Pirc in the 17th and final round (jeepers, what a genius!).

12th August 2009, 05:23am
#13
by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1720

28 is more or less the peak for many human activities, so I guess it is the same for chess ability.

Of course, most of us amateurs aren't playing at our full potential anyway, so we can still improve by getting better at the game, even though our brains are slowing.

At 35, I've discovered that my patience has improved. And that in turn has improved my chess a lot recently :-)

12th August 2009, 05:50am
#14
by NM tonydal
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4340
Scarblac wrote:

At 35, I've discovered that my patience has improved. And that in turn has improved my chess a lot recently :-)


Yeah, that helped for me a lot too (also just knowing when to bail out and go into defense mode--instead of insisting to myself that I knew exactly what was going on at all times...kind of like the driver unwilling to admit that he has to pull over and ask someone for directions).

12th August 2009, 06:02am
#15
by Danconqueror
Baltimore, MD United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 67

However, it is obviously true your decline depends upon the type of person who you are. Some people may decline around 25, while others might decline around 50. It just depends on your genetics and your personality. Many people agree, the happier you are, the longer your memory lives. And as Tatdude asked, I think most people here play chess for fun, not for the rating. At least I do.

 

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