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18th March 2008, 06:33pm
#1
by fostergump
Washington United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 163

I have a Question. Is it good manners to tell someone that your about to mate someone on " " moves? It seems to me as very rude.  Let me know your thoughts.

18th March 2008, 06:41pm
#2
by Rael
Calgary, Alberta Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 3063
I like to do that, if it should be obvious, and there is no way out of it. Like, I'll say "Forced mate in 4..." or something.
18th March 2008, 06:50pm
#3
by PawnFork
St. Louis United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 324
It is terribly rude.  It is also a really cool thing to be able to calculate, but please save it for when you post the game on the games forum Rael.  Fortunately you have a wonderful place to indulge in bragging politely.
18th March 2008, 06:52pm
#4
by TonightOnly
Phoenix, AZ United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 1215
Below master level, I think this is okay, as long as it is not in a serious tournament.
18th March 2008, 07:01pm
#5
by Rael
Calgary, Alberta Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 3063

Pawnfork -

 You might be right, it might be considered rude by some. But in this wide world, with all sorts of real evils going on, that little bit of rudeness - telling someone when you have a forced mate - will only spur them. It's part of the competitiveness. Not only do they get an opportunity to look for the forced mate (giving them a free tactics trainer, if you would) but it's part of the fun, in all honestly. Ultimately, I'm a very polite person. But rudeness is dependent on being an insult directly to that person - like racial or sexist remarks. Pointing out a mate hardly qualifies. If you're really that scared of something as innocent as that... well, I dunno my friend. Disable the chat window unless you're sure you're having a chess game with a rainbow.


18th March 2008, 07:08pm
#6
by batgirl
NC United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 3116
Au contraire.  Announcing mate doesn't seem the least bit rude, and besides being traditional, it seems in fact rather elegant.  If mate's there, it's there.  Announcing it gives the opponent the chance to resign and not waste time on pointless moves.  
18th March 2008, 07:21pm
#7
by ivandh
GA United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 270
I think it's tacky.
18th March 2008, 08:24pm
#8
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 6439
batgirl wrote: Au contraire.  Announcing mate doesn't seem the least bit rude, and besides being traditional, it seems in fact rather elegant.  If mate's there, it's there.  Announcing it gives the opponent the chance to resign and not waste time on pointless moves.  

 agreed. unfortunately, most people don't know this. i only announce if i know the person :)


18th March 2008, 08:33pm
#9
by depthshaman
United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 278
much ado about nothing.
18th March 2008, 09:09pm
#10
by LisaV
Tenerife Canary Islands
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 269

A consideration.....

I've calculated at least a dozen mates on here, executed them, and my opponents have "helped" me discover that one move that foils the mates.

Glad I kept those mates to myself.....


18th March 2008, 09:41pm
#11
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2082
I agree that anouncing mate is okay.  Next somebody's going to tell me it's rude to put an opponent in check.
18th March 2008, 09:48pm
#12
by God2
Malaysia
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1082
agree badgirl comment,this will make u more memory on that kind of move and avoid it next time happen again
18th March 2008, 09:50pm
#13
by oginschile
Salt Lake City, UT United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 961

Announcing mate is a time honored tradition... it used to be the norm.

Seems to be one of those things that simply went out of style at some point. But I'm not sure I see the harm. If mate is announced on you, take it as a challenge to find a refutation, but if there really is no way out... no need to get angry. I've had it done to me a couple of times in correspondence chess, and it was actually no big deal. You get to see the moves in the chat window instead of on the board.


19th March 2008, 05:41am
#14
by Quaff
England
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 85
I think it's crass to announce mate, although having played club games / OTB briefly, some years ago, can see how it could be considered etiquette.
19th March 2008, 05:54am
#15
by porterism
Winnipeg Canada
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 101
I think, while it used to be the standard, it can now be construed as a little bit pompous and while it wouldn't bother me personally if an opponent did it, I could see why some might take offense.  It wouldn't be something I'd feel comfortable doing, unless I knew the person well.
19th March 2008, 06:14am
#16
by Baseballfan
Durham, North Carolina United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1024
LisaV wrote:

A consideration.....

I've calculated at least a dozen mates on here, executed them, and my opponents have "helped" me discover that one move that foils the mates.

Glad I kept those mates to myself.....


 This is a good thing to keep in mind. While I don't think it's rude (it IS a long standing tradition), you better make absolutely sure that you are right. I remember one time a played a game where my opponent announced mate like 6 moves out (neither one of us had great ratings), and before he made his next move, I found a quick little 2 or 3 move mating combo of my own that I didn't announce but beat him with. He was so embarrassed that he would never play me again despite the fact that this was like our 5th or 6th game together.


19th March 2008, 07:34am
#17
by fostergump
Washington United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 163
TonightOnly wrote: Below master level, I think this is okay, as long as it is not in a serious tournament.

 I would think it would be the opposite, as we lower rated players are not savy to the "long standing traditions" of chess play. For many of us this web site is the only avenue of chess and we are still learning. That is the main reason for asking and from some of the responses I think it warranted a discussion as educational for us noobs.


19th March 2008, 08:51am
#18
by Aristokatt
Eluding the authorities. United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1127
LisaV wrote:

A consideration.....

I've calculated at least a dozen mates on here, executed them, and my opponents have "helped" me discover that one move that foils the mates.

Glad I kept those mates to myself.....


 I'll have mate in 28.Cool


19th March 2008, 01:58pm
#19
by batgirl
NC United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 3116

"Aristokatt: I'll have mate in 28."

 

Mate in 28 from a woman?

 

Would you settle for Mate in 35 from a woman?

http://batgirl.atspace.com/Gilbert.html


19th March 2008, 04:21pm
#20
by LisaV
Tenerife Canary Islands
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 269

Would a katt and a bat get along?  I should start a chess.com matchmaking service....Tongue out

 

Batgirl--I wouldn't mind mating at my age.  ;)   Gilbert--yikes!  Now that's voodoo.

 

A.katt--I'm thinking our yawner will be a stalemate in 28.  (runs and hides from the bad pun).  Incidentally, I do see a mate in several moves, but I'm not going to announce it because I'll be horribly wrong before then.  ;)


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