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Could Spassky have beaten Fischer?


  • 15 months ago · Quote · #281

    Conflagration_Planet

    bigpoison wrote:
    varelse1 wrote:

    TetsuoShima wrote:

    They definetly should have Gives him a better grave, with view to ocean and not close to awall

    Fischer died alone, friendless and loved by nobody.

    He is lucky his grave is even marked.

    Come again?  Why is he lucky for having a tombstone?  He doesn't care.  Grave markers are for the living, not the dead.

    True.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #282

    JoseO

    If you really want a good view of the match, you should get the audio book "Bobby Fischer goes to War". It does a good job of explaining the events that lead up to the match, the psychology that both sides played in this match, the match itself, and the fall out of what happened after the match was played.

    It was true that Spassky's camp felt that he had not prepared. At one point, his camp suggested that they should prepare for some sort of move outside of e4 for Bobby. Spaskky said not to bother since Fischer will never play anything other than e4. We can only speculate what must have gone through his mind when Bobby opened up with c4 in game 6.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #283

    adamstask

    Hilarious3 wrote:

    There is a comment somewhere regarding Bobby Fischer, maybe in Kramnik's interview, that the style of any great champion gradually moves from being personal and distinctive to more universal and non-descript. I find that an interesting thought. It seems as if the Fischer Spassky had prepared for no longer existed!

    Botvinnik once asked Spassky which chess player he considered the perfect product of the Soviet chess school. Spassky with his great sense of humour answered Bobby Fischer, and Botvinnik was very cross!

    Great story about Spassky and Botvinnik! And great thought about the Fischer Spassky prepared for. Nice. 

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #284

    yeres30

    Was the reason why Spassky was not the Spassky of before the match because of the absence of TV cameras?

    Was Fischer correct in his paranoia on cheating by the Russians which is why he insisted on playing the match without TV cameras?

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #285

    JoeTheV

    Spassky should've won the 1972 match rather than Fischer, whose rude behavior about the cameras and conditions was quite ridiculous.  I like how Spassky was a good sport about it, but it still befuddles me why he would succumb to Fischer's laughable demands.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #286

    PAMetalBoss

    He could have beaten Fischer by default if he stuck to his guns and didn't accept Fischer's terms for game 3. He won the first game, and won the second by forfeit. Also, up until that match he had beaten Fischer 3 times and had not lost to him yet. Therefore he would have earned his right to retain the title in my opinion. 

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #287

    ihateparadox

    TetsuoShima wrote:

    varelse1 wrote:

    Spassky was a true champion. Arguably the best to ever hold the Title.

    Bobbys little lucky streak will never erase the engthly career of beautiful, attacking chess Boris gave the world.

     

    Lol Good one

    I feel like I have spotted a fischer fanboy.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #288

    ihateparadox

    JoeTheV wrote:

    Spassky should've won the 1972 match rather than Fischer, whose rude behavior about the cameras and conditions was quite ridiculous.  I like how Spassky was a good sport about it, but it still befuddles me why he would succumb to Fischer's laughable demands.

    Agreed. A long time after the match in an interview, Spassky says that made a psychological mistake in continuing the game.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #289

    ihateparadox

    TetsuoShima wrote:

    Man i Really wish i were just trolling, but im just dumb

    Agreed.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #290

    ihateparadox

    I have a feeling that testuoshima has irritated every single one of us. He's such a fischer fanboy who can't even give an ounce of respect to Spassky or even Kasparov.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #291

    ihateparadox

    Fixing_A_Hole wrote:

    TetsuoShima is such a jack@ss, can someone be any more obsessed with Fischer?  WOW....

    I know, right?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #292

    ihateparadox

    TetsuoShima wrote:

    Spassky wasn't the gentleman,

    The true Gentleman was Fischer

    Nice fantasy.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #293

    ihateparadox

    Scottrf wrote:

    Dude, if Fischer lost 12-0 you would say he deserved to win.

    So true.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #294

    varelse1

    It was shear luck Euwe was able to catch Fischer at the Rekjavik Airport before Bobby departed. One in a thousand, really. That was how close Fischer was to becoming an obscure footnote.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #295

    aerodarts

    Spassky was a victim of the CIA electronic tricks. They hit him with mind altering waves that cause him to see imaginary postions on the board. How else can you explain a total collaspe of Spassky? Fischer was good, but not that good!

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #296

    aerodarts

    bigpoison wrote:
    varelse1 wrote:

    TetsuoShima wrote:

    They definetly should have Gives him a better grave, with view to ocean and not close to awall

    Fischer died alone, friendless and loved by nobody.

    He is lucky his grave is even marked.

    Come again?  Why is he lucky for having a tombstone?  He doesn't care.  Grave markers are for the living, not the dead.

    What an embarrsement Fischer was to the USA! After the CIA made him world Champion, he turned his back on his country! However, the USA let Fischer go on with with his life as long as he stayed out of the USA. The Japanese went after Bobby because he married a Japanese women and everyone knows when it comes to Country, they do not like those anyone who does not understand their position. How  ironic, Bobby could size up a chess position with a blick of an eye, but when it came to being a good citizen, he was a novice.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #297

    chessmicky

    What utter drivel

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #298

    2mooroo

    Spassky admired Fischer's play for a long time and when he finally got the chance to play a match against him, the last thing he wanted was for it to be called off, regardless of whether or not his title would be secured.  In fact, after Fischer forfeited match 2 Spassky wanted to replay the match anyway after which the Soviet chain of command told him, presumably, "Not a chance buddy, the US must lose this match."  Spassky felt guilty about having a free win for the rest of the game and it's been speculated that this is why he was playing a fraction of his best.  Something similar happened in the Korchnoi - Spassky match.  Before the match they were great friends but during the match there was an interpersonal conflict between the two that had a profound effect on Spassky's game.  It's a shame that Spassky let things like this get to him, but he did.

    But anyway, Fischer was so far ahead of everyone else that I doubt even without any kind of psychological edge Spassky had a chance.  I'm sure he would have put up a better fight without all the bullshit that occurred though.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #299

    Validior

    anyone would have struggled to maintain confidence after Fischer destroyed Taimanov/Larsen/Petrosian the way he did.

    Spassky and Petrosian were pretty much equal over their careers...then Fischer destroyed Petrosian. That had to get into Spasskys head

    the cold war pressure surely worked against Spassky, who never seemed like too much of a commie flagwaver

     

    then there was the matter of a 100+ elo pt difference

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #300

    chessmicky

    If they had met about two years earlier, I think Spassky would have good chances. 1966-70 were Spassky's peak years: he won a number of matches against top grandmasters, including a world championship! He won the Piatagorsky Cup super tournament ahead of Fischer, and he won two great struggles over Bobby in their individual games. But Fischer continued to improve and by 1972 the balance of power had changed


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