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Could Spassky have beaten Fischer?

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TetsuoShima
schlechter55 wrote:

Tetsuishima is obviously from Germany, and not from Japan (or US).

Why ?

He wrote 'Kindergarten' , and not 'kindergarden'.


is this the time when the snake shows its real face???

chamillionaire

Favorite German word: Kinderpunsch.  In English it sounds like you're punching kindergardeners. Cool   I hear it's a tasty beverage. 

schlechter55

tootsie, you also answered in German in another thread.

schlechter55

Tootsie, second warning. You insulted me before !

TetsuoShima
schlechter55 wrote:

Tootsie, second warning. You insulted me before !


but this time im correct...

TetsuoShima
schlechter55 wrote:

Tootsie, second warning. You insulted me before !


just imagine i were indeed from germany and you just blew up my cover, what person except for a snake would try to do that??

schlechter55

I was just guessing. Suppose you ARE German, (I really think you are). Why is it bad (at all) that I pulled away the curtain ?

Again you call me one of the worst words. I cannot anymore talk to you. Unless you give a thorough apology immediately.

TetsuoShima
schlechter55 wrote:

I was just guessing. Suppose you ARE German, (I really think you are). Why is it bad (at all) that I pulled away the curtain ?

Again you call me one of the worst words. I cannot anymore talk to you. Unless you give a thorough apology immediately.

you know im right

schlechter55

Ok, I will report you . Dont try to talk to me again. You are a very bad person.

Senator-Blutarsky

I love Bayern Munich!! Laughing

TetsuoShima
schlechter55 wrote:

Ok, I will report you . Dont try to talk to me again. You are a very bad person.


than lets do it that way

Senator-Blutarsky

tell your mammy schlechter55!

indurain
strngdrvnthng wrote:

It's all so clear to me now. Your arguement is so compelling.

He makes stuff up as he goes along, I reckonLaughing

indurain
schlechter55 wrote:

Tetsuishima is obviously from Germany, and not from Japan (or US).

Why ?

He wrote 'Kindergarten' , and not 'kindergarden'.

If he is from Japan he would have written KlindergartenTongue Out

(that's joke by the way)

Konkistador
schlechter55 wrote:

Tetsuishima is obviously from Germany, and not from Japan (or US).

Why ?

He wrote 'Kindergarten' , and not 'kindergarden'.

The correct English spelling is 'kindergarten'.

Pacifique
TetsuoShima wrote:
Pacifique wrote:

In fact Fischer won that match due to psychology. His ridiculous behaviour before the match and up to 3rd game was the reason why Spassky was obviously psyched out and played worse than he could.

Bobby Fischer Goes to War by David Edmonds and John Eidinow is one of the best books written about that match.

they write that stuff in many books, to take away Fischers achievment i believe.

I believe it would be really weird if you have the will to become world champion and then are not able to handle that stuff.

you ofc know more about chess than i do, but i personally believe FIscher just outclassed Spassky and that was all there was to it.

You have no arguments without your belief.

Pacifique
batgirl wrote:
Pacifique wrote:

In fact Fischer won that match due to psychology. His ridiculous behaviour before the match and up to 3rd game was the reason why Spassky was obviously psyched out and played worse than he could.

Bobby Fischer Goes to War by David Edmonds and John Eidinow is one of the best books written about that match.

That conclusion is ridiculous.  All matches, probably all games of importance, involve psychological aspects and the 1972 WC match was no different.  Fischer's behavior was quite reasonable considering his well-deserved mistrust of the Soviet chess machine and his quest for proper respect and playing conditions for chess masters.  Fischer won simply by playing better, even at the disadvantage of two games.  Averbakh, who at that time was president of the Soviet Chess Federation, was convinced that Fischer would outplay Spassky as he had already devastated Taimanov and Pertosian, not to mention Larsen.  The Soviet's charged Spassky and his team with sloppy preparation and careless attitides.  Fischer won because he cared.  Spassky earned more money losing that match (most of which he kept) than in all his wins put together and also lost the onus that being champion placed upon him, so even in losing, he won.

"Bobby Fischer Goes to War" never claimed Fischer won primarily, or even partially, though psychology.

Obviously you haven`t read "Bobby Fischer Goes to War" as facts given it this book speaks for themselves.

Calling Fischers behaviour reasonable is one of the most laughable claims I`ve ever read in this forum. In fact it was obvious blakcmail and nobody would blame Spassky for abandoning match keeping his title instead of playing 3rd game. Actually he was suggessted by Soviet chess officials to do it.

You refer to Averbakh, but I may refer to Botvinnik who has stated that Spassky can beat Fischer and that Fischer is much overestimated by many, even after his wins in Candidates matches. Also I may refer to Kasparov`s "My Great Predecessors" (vol 4) in which he has given very reasonable analysis on what happened in that match.

Setmup

Kasparov is clearly the best player bar none in the world,why all this talk about a has been that was better than he allowed himself to be

Pacifique
fabelhaft wrote:

Regardless if Spassky could have won or not, the 1972 match must be one of the very few cases where the World Champion winning a title match would have been something of a sensation. Maybe Euwe vs Alekhine in 1937 and Anand vs Carlsen later this year are the only other examples of that.

Euwe was considered as favorite by many experts in 1937 actually.

fabelhaft
batgirl wrote:

Fischer's behavior was quite reasonable considering his well-deserved mistrust of the Soviet chess machine and his quest for proper respect and playing conditions for chess masters.

To me that sounds like a slightly idealistic view of Fischer. To begin with his behaviour in the 1972 match with regards to stuff like having the match delayed, demanding the chess set to be remade, forfeiting, demands to move a game to a closed room etc wasn't really connected to mistrusting the Soviet players, and even if it had been I wouldn't call it quite reasonable. As I see it not everything was right in Fischer's head, and this started to become more visible in the 1970s, increasingly so after the match.

As for Fischer's quest for respect for chess masters, I think he mainly was interested in one chess master. It's not as if he did much to increase the respect for the other top players, who he generally referred to as cheaters or worse. No other leading chess player has so frequently expressed so disrespectful sentiments over his colleagues.

I think Fischer was less interested in respect for others than in getting as much for himself as he could. Fischer demanded that draws before move 30 should not be allowed in the Olympiad. After this was implemented he took short draws himself, declaring that the rules didn't apply to him. Before the match against Spassky Fischer was of the opinion that it was unfair that the Champion had draw odds. As soon as he had won the match he demanded that the challenger must win with a margin of two games to win the title, etc.

Fischer's both being American and very successful meant that chess became more commercial, something other players benefitted from. I don't think this was connected to some sort of quest on the behalf of chess players in general from Fischer's side though. He never expressed anything else than contempt for players like Karpov and Kasparov, and his views on guys like Keres and Tal were in general connected to them being "cheating Russian Communists" rather than players from countries occupied by the Soviet Union, that not always had a simple situation, and were neither Russians nor Communists.