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  • 14 months ago · Quote · #181

    AndyClifton

    sapientdust wrote:
    AndyClifton wrote:

    Wisely done!  Now you are looking a bit more sapient. 

    Sapience would have been not wasting my time trying to have a discussion in the chess.com trollpit. Lesson learned.

    And a good thing that too.  Perhaps this can be the first installment of a new study. Smile

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #182

    AndyClifton

    paul211 wrote:

    Bobby Fischer’s IQ was evaluated at 187 and one in 300,000,000 yes on in 300 million people has this high IQ.

     


    Well, this whole IQ business is a bit silly, and no better demonstration of that is there than this.  I find that the higher one goes up the chart, the more exponential the x in 1/x gets.  Am I really supposed to believe that these wizards of telemetry can measure something that accurately? lol

    Not to mention the fact that what they are measuring is something entirely specious...another one of these "average person" comparisons.

    Reminds me of somebody I overheard the other day walking down the street and proclaiming to his friends that he had "perfect 20/20 vision."  Ah yes, perfectly average! lol

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #183

    AndyClifton

    Well, my IQ's no 187...but I'm pretty sure I've seen this before.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #184

    trysts

    AndyClifton wrote:


    Well, this whole IQ business is a bit silly, and no better demonstration of that is there than this.  I find that the higher one goes up the chart, the more exponential the x in 1/x gets.  Am I really supposed to believe that these wizards of telemetry can measure something that accurately? lol

    Not to mention the fact that what they are measuring is something entirely specious...another one of these "average person" comparisons.

    Reminds me of somebody I overheard the other day walking down the street and proclaiming to his friends that he had "perfect 20/20 vision."  Ah yes, perfectly average! lol

    I agree. Talent is also an evaluation based on averages. Talent doesn't seem to be in the talented, any more than art is in the artist. 

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #185

    AndyClifton

    Bobby, with

    your big IQ

    how'd you become

    a Nazi Jew?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #186

    Crazychessplaya

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #187

    Conflagration_Planet

    AndyClifton wrote:

    Bobby, with

    your big IQ

    how'd you become

    a Nazi Jew?

    Because he was nuts.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #188

    AndyClifton

    Planet comes

    and soon rebuts

    "why'd he do this?

    he was nuts"

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #189

    Conflagration_Planet

    Very good.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #190

    Conflagration_Planet

    What happened to Woodshover?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #191

    AndyClifton

    You mean the fake one?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #192

    AndyClifton

    Evan Hu

    showed up to say

    "hi" "no" or "?"

    then went away

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #193

    AndyClifton

    Evan attempts his first novel.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #194

    chessnaivete

    Thank God I have an average IQ otherwise I would hate Jews. LOL

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #195

    indurain

    Conflagration_Planet wrote:
    AndyClifton wrote:

    Bobby, with

    your big IQ

    how'd you become

    a Nazi Jew?

    Because he was nuts.

    I disagree that Fischer was nuts.

    Bobby always had "an enemy". In his earlier years it was "the Russians" or "the Commies". This enemy identity then morphed in to "the Jews". I've read all that there is to read about Fischer from first edition books nearly 50 years old to modern books and it is clear that only in his later life did Bobby resort to attacking "the Jews and the Holocaust industry".

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #196

    Conflagration_Planet

    indurain wrote:
    Conflagration_Planet wrote:
    AndyClifton wrote:

    Bobby, with

    your big IQ

    how'd you become

    a Nazi Jew?

    Because he was nuts.

    I disagree that Fischer was nuts.

    Bobby always had "an enemy". In his earlier years it was "the Russians" or "the Commies". This enemy identity then morphed in to "the Jews". I've read all that there is to read about Fischer from first edition books nearly 50 years old to modern books and it is clear that only in his later life did Bobby resort to attacking "the Jews and the Holocaust industry".

    He donated something like $70,000.00 to a church that was preaching that they had the inside scoop on when Jesus was going to return. When he didn't, poor Bobby was really pissed.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #197

    indurain

    Conflagration_Planet wrote:
    indurain wrote:
    Conflagration_Planet wrote:
    AndyClifton wrote:

    Bobby, with

    your big IQ

    how'd you become

    a Nazi Jew?

    Because he was nuts.

    I disagree that Fischer was nuts.

    Bobby always had "an enemy". In his earlier years it was "the Russians" or "the Commies". This enemy identity then morphed in to "the Jews". I've read all that there is to read about Fischer from first edition books nearly 50 years old to modern books and it is clear that only in his later life did Bobby resort to attacking "the Jews and the Holocaust industry".

    He donated something like $70,000.00 to a church that was preaching that they had the inside scoop on when Jesus was going to return. When he didn't, poor Bobby was really pissed.

    there was a quid pro quo arrangement between Bobby and that Church. As I understand it Fischer got to live there rent free for example.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #198

    cjwalker

    Been away for a while... First off, I like Andy's poems.

    Second, it is entirely true that IQ tests break down when faced with extraodinary levels of intelligence. But what is the "intelligence quotient" anyway- how can one say "when faced with extraodinary levels of intelligence"? A circular argument if ever I saw one. Basically IQ counts for sweet fuck all in the grand scheme of things, as long as you attain a minimum score.

    In outliers, IQ levels from mentally handicapped all the way to genius are discussed. A higher IQ commonly results in more education, more money, and a longer life. A popular myth is the higher your IQ score, the better chance you have of winning, let’s say, the Nobel Prize. This is not actually true. Obviously there is on average a minimum IQ for those that win this prize. However, once you reach a minimum level genius IQ, you have as much a chance to win a Nobel Prize as a high level genius IQ.

    The Harvard student admissions process is also brought into question in this chapter. In the year 2008, Harvard only accepted 1,600 out of 27,462 applicants. That number is far less than the number of applicants who scored perfect on their SAT’s or those who were number one in their high school graduating class. The truth of Harvard genius is obviously skewed with so many eligible applicants not being considered, especially when we take note that any genius level IQ and above have the same opportunity for achievement.

    The issue of Affirmative Action is also mentioned. The law school at the University of Michigan performed a case study on students accepted to the school based on this policy. More leniency is provided to minority groups or those from less fortunate backgrounds to allow them an equal opportunity at education. They may have lower test scores than normal applicants, but are still within the minimum level genius IQ. When the school looked at all aspects of the lives of its graduates, it found no major disparities between the Affirmative Action applicants, and the regular applicants.

    The only question is.. Do you have the minimum genius IQ level?

    “Knowledge of a boy’s IQ is of little help if you are faced with a formful of clever boys.”

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #199

    AndyClifton

    Uh-oh, more studies...hey, maybe I'm a minimal genius after all. Smile

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #200

    k9p

    are iq scores increasing because humans are getting more intelligent or because we use more abstract thinking to navigte the modern world than our localised ancestors,

    2. Find the answer that best completes the analogy

    people : democracy :: wealthy :

    A. oligarchy
    B. oligopoly
    C. plutocracy
    D. timocracy
    E. autocracy

    Correct answer: plutocracy

     my grandfather would have replied this is all good and well

    but none of this will get the cows milked and without the milk we starve to death and dead people dont vote, except in a puppet state

    so less of the stupid questions and do some work


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