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As mentioned before, IQ takes up a pretty small percentage of what's considered overall intelligence. That said, it is going to be very useful for a very limited number of activities. Most things (but not all) in life could be done very, very well without having an above-average IQ. Higher IQ's might help certain individuals excel in a few things - but think about how many 'above-average' people wind up never reaching their true potential.
Addendum: I'm going to try to post a brief summary of all the posts that have information here within the next few days.
Correction to gambit13
The World Chess Champion Bobby Fischer had 187 IQ
My bad, I just copied my info off some website
Chess is NOT intelligence!
I had a friend years ago that couldn't count his pocket change, so I estimate his IQ around 70-75. He learned to play chess, and practiced, and practiced. He played better players as much as possbile. After about 5 years his rating was well over 2000. I still get a chuckle out of the memories of the GE Space Center engineers coming over to the chess club at lunch, laughing at my buddy Carmen. Funny they weren't laughing too hard after he kicked their butts all over the place. If I remember right they were crying in their pocket protectors on the way out.
So the clear lesson is, Chess is not intelligence! IT IS PRACTICE!!
Sorry no references for life experiences.
Exactly, Ronald Weasly in Harry Potter doesn't have an IQ of 187. He probably had nothing else to do since he sucks at magic which allowed him to practice chess a lot.
Yes Harry Potter is a concrete source.
of course it takes intelligence to play chess. you know what it also requires? a sportsman soul, a fighting spirit and as Kasparov has stated (paraphrasing) a desire and ability to engage in prolonged battle with an opponent. these things are distinct from intelligence or IQ. when you take an IQ test you are not engaged in a battle, a fight, with the piece of paper, at least not in the same way as you are when you play chess with another human being or entity. in this respect, it becomes readily evident that someone could be extremely intelligent, have a really high IQ, but not be all that good at chess. I think people often forget that chess is actually a sport, and a sport like boxing or tennis where you have an opponent who is fighting against you, and the full import of this fact. it isn't intelligence alone that makes a grandmaster.
I'm still waiting for the results of the "further study" :P
Interesting article: Chess can improve IQ
Playing chess is one operation that fully exercises your mind. Chess is quite like a brain tonic which enhances concentration, patience, and perseverance, as well as develops creativity, intuition, memory, and most importantly, the ability to process and extract information from a set of general principles, learning to make tough decisions and solving problems flexibly. Most importantly it teaches one, a golden virtue -- the virtue of Patience.
Concentration, Patience, and Perseverance
You require immense concentration to play chess. Some of the world's ace players, appear distracted, sometimes scratching their heads, taking a break between moves to walk around. However a closer look reveals that most of these players are actually absorbed in thought, relying on strong visual memory to plan and calculate even when they are away from their game. Chess is a teaching tool that instantly penalizes you for any lapses. One slip in concentration can lead to a blunder, costing you the game.
Analysis, Logic, and Problem Solving
Playing chess well involves multiple aptitudes. Dr Albert Frank found that learning chess, even as teenagers, strengthened both numerical and verbal aptitudes. Some studies have even claimed that playing chess can strengthen a child�s memory.
A 1990-92 study in New Brunswick, Canada, found that by integrating chess into the traditional mathematics curriculum teachers were able to raise significantly the average problem solving scores of their students. These students fared much better on problem solving tests than ones who just took the standard mathematics course.
How could chess possibly improve English skills? The young students learned to make connections based on chess moves; This helped them connect different aspects of what they read in English courses & texts. Thus, the ability to make connections improves the overall IQ score.
The ability to perceive possibilities for movement is particularly crucial to chess thinking, as is the capacity to build up a system of knowledge and experience. Chess thinking often involves a complex, hierarchical structure of problems and sub-problems, and the capacity for retaining and manipulating such complex structures of data concurrently never deviating from the goals, all correlate with having a high IQ.
Chess and IQ
Chess has been shown to raise student's overall IQ scores. A Venezuelan study involving 4,000 second grade students found a significant increase in their IQ scores after only 4.5 months of systematically studying chess. Tournament chess games, which bind each player to make his move within the stipulated time, hone one's ability to perform under pressure, mimicking environments of most school and competitive exams.
From gifted to retarded chess have benefits for all
Dr Ferguson's four-year study reported that after spending 60-64 hours playing and studying chess over 32 weeks students exhibited significant progress in critical thinking. He further found that chess enhances "creativity in gifted adolescents." Chess benefits are not restricted to gifted children. Chess teacher Michael Wojcio notes that "even if a slow learner does not grasp all of the strategies and tactics in chess, he/she can still benefit by learning language, concepts, and fine motor movement." This often ignites in them a passion for learning.
Age no bar
Chess tournaments are not divided by age but by ability (unlike other sports). Young players can many a times outperform seasoned ones. In 1999-2000 in Australia, for example, a thirteen-year-old won the New South Wales championship, a fourteen-year-old won the South Australian championship and a fifteen-year-old won the Queensland championship.
Chess studying and playing involves six out of seven factors of the modern IQ test model. Hence subscribing to it would warranty improvement in your performance in IQ tests as per the verdicts of researchers. So if you have never felt the chessboard its time you start arranging your pawns!
(quoted from article @www.iqtestexperts.com)
Elo ~ (10 x IQ) + 1000
so the avarage person with an IQ of 100, would have a max grade of 2000? That seems very high.
As a maximum, and with enough practice,I would say it's about right.
Btw, does anyone know of any GM's with particularly low or average IQ's? If the rule is that "IQ doesn't matter" then surely this ought to be the case, right?
IQ in general is nothing but a test to determine if you are smarter than a dog. Chess requires an intellect of an average 5 year old.
That's ridiculous for at least two reasons. Firstly, becoming a grandmaster of chess takes a lot of years. Secondly, IQ fluctuates throughout life (and likely to increase with improvements in chess).
Further arguments against this would include differences between IQ before/after becoming a titled player, having certain cognitive strengths/weaknesses in those IQ tests (knowing which are relevant to the question), and further complications such as age differences, and IQ correlations between commencing chess play, and becoming a 'grandmaster' in terms of other factors such as age-related cognitive decline which raises further complications such as those same mental faculties being reverted through active usage . . .
Many players become GM's at an early age, 14 or 15 seems to be the earliest age. That's not "a lot of years" especially if they only "discover" chess at 5 or 6 years of age. The fact is they are "gifted" with extra talent in spatio-logical problems, or however it should be phrased. I agree IQ does fluctuate, but i also believe you can be born gifted, giving a head start to such individuals (the fact that many of them become social misfits is beside the point). I think two key factors in achieving GM level are:
1) Being gifted (much higher than average IQ), and:
2) Focussing that gift onto chess.
I'm still searching for a GM with a low IQ...
IQ is definitely a factor in chess tactics. Strategy is more about wisdom, patience and experience though.
Personally i have absolutely no patience so that's where i fall down.
It's been a while since anybody's posted here. My interest has waned, but I figure others may still maintain some interest in this topic, and there's plenty of discussion here (some constructive... some not). Fire away, boys and girls...
Agreed, kenpo. If we think of the time and dedication the best chess players devote to the game (i.e. their whole life, virtually every waking moment), it follows that they must reach the pinnacle of their art. A certain mindset (exceptionally analytical), combined with above average IQ, plus years and years of study and dedication, has to bring results.
i have an IQ 126 and i don't play chess very well...
How long have you been playing, and how much time and study have you given to it?
I know some people with IQs higher than their actual rating...
This article has interesting insights with strong evidences. I quite agree to it.
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