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IQ and Chess: The Real Relationship

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #121


    IQ in general is nothing but a test to determine if you are smarter than a dog. Chess requires an intellect of an average 5 year old.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #122


    kenneth67 wrote:

    As a maximum, and with enough practice,I would say it's about right. 

    Btw, does anyone know of any GM's with particularly low or average IQ's? If the rule is that "IQ doesn't matter" then surely this ought to be the case, right? 

    That's ridiculous for at least two reasons. Firstly, becoming a grandmaster of chess takes a lot of years. Secondly, IQ fluctuates throughout life (and likely to increase with improvements in chess).

    Further arguments against this would include differences between IQ before/after becoming a titled player, having certain cognitive strengths/weaknesses in those IQ tests (knowing which are relevant to the question), and further complications such as age differences, and IQ correlations between commencing chess play, and becoming a 'grandmaster' in terms of other factors such as age-related cognitive decline which raises further complications such as those same mental faculties being reverted through active usage . . .

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #123


    Many players become  GM's at an early age, 14 or 15 seems to be the earliest age. That's not "a lot of years" especially if they only "discover" chess at 5 or 6 years of age. The fact is they are "gifted" with extra talent in spatio-logical problems, or however it should be phrased. I agree IQ does fluctuate, but i also believe you can be born gifted, giving a head start to such individuals (the fact that many of them become social misfits is beside the point). I think two key factors in achieving GM level are:

    1) Being gifted (much higher than average IQ), and:

    2) Focussing that gift onto chess.

    I'm still searching for a GM with a low IQ...

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #124


    IQ is definitely a factor in chess tactics. Strategy is more about wisdom, patience and experience though. 

    Personally i have absolutely no patience so that's where i fall down.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #125


    It's been a while since anybody's posted here. My interest has waned, but I figure others may still maintain some interest in this topic, and there's plenty of discussion here (some constructive... some not). Fire away, boys and girls...

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #126


    Agreed, kenpo. If we think of the time and dedication the best chess players devote to the game (i.e. their whole life, virtually every waking moment), it follows that they must reach the pinnacle of their art. A certain mindset (exceptionally analytical), combined with above average IQ, plus years and years of study and dedication, has to bring results. 

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #127


    i have an IQ 126 and i don't play chess very well...

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #128


    How long have you been playing, and how much time and study have you given to it?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #129


    IQ: 151

    USCF: 1895

    I know some people with IQs higher than their actual rating...

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #130


    This article has interesting insights with strong evidences. I quite agree to it.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #131


         I think the "junk" comment had a lot to do with the various undocumented opinions you offered as bases for your argument.  Still a good read.

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