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8th July 2009, 11:17pm
#1
by uhavebeenserved
las vegas United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 244

I have reported three players who were blatantly cheating but had gold or diamond membership while I had none and was told toforget it.  One of them even messaged me what Shredder thought of our position but the admins said that was ok because they did not know using a computer was illegal.  Basically if you have an upgraded membership you can cheat and if you do not then do not waste your time accusing someone even if ur 100% sure because NOTHING will be done.btw I am a 2300fide player who has played tournaments in person since 1980 and only review the games after they are over.  So in synopsis - you will be cheated on - end of post.  Thx for your time

8th July 2009, 11:51pm
#2
by DanielleSurferGirl
Honolulu United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 208

maybe cheaters should pay but get a zirconiun diamond next to their nameSmile

9th July 2009, 12:03am
#3
by Suggo
Australia
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2317

So you want to complain about something you contribute nothing to? Surprised

9th July 2009, 12:22am
#4
by Kupov
Banff Alberta Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 1645

Why should he contribute if all of his opponents are cheaters?

9th July 2009, 12:45am
#5
by Suggo
Australia
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2317

So he played all 257 games against the three people he mentioned?

9th July 2009, 12:47am
#6
by Kupov
Banff Alberta Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 1645

It was obvious hyperbole to explain to you why he may not be a subscriber as of yet.

Possibly if there were no cheaters on chess.com he would already be a paying member.

9th July 2009, 12:58am
#7
by NesimTR
Tucson United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 179

Yeah...I don't appreciate it when people act as though non-subscribers have no rights. Maybe we're complaining to make sure things are to our liking before we commit to paying. Or maybe we were promised an account by our school chess team that hasn't come through yet...(given up on that happening...I'll pay eventually). Either way, judging the validity of someone's complaint based on whether or not they're a paying member is folly.

9th July 2009, 01:49am
#8
by Suggo
Australia
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2317

What rights do non-subscribers have?

It is folly to assume that the only reason these people weren't banned is because they were financial members when there is a myriad of reasons possible as to why they were not banned.  Also it would be counterproductive for Chess.com to allow cheaters to stay, financial or not, and from what I have seen they aren't that silly.

9th July 2009, 02:03am
#9
by peldan
Stockholm Sweden
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 194

There's a list of known cheaters posted by erik, including premium members. Search for it.

9th July 2009, 02:08am
#10
by Archios
Egypt
Member Since: Jul 2009
Member Points: 2

I think cheating should stay out of rated games, analysis of the game should be done post game not in real time..

9th July 2009, 02:14am
#11
by peldan
Stockholm Sweden
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 194

I agree! No one should cheat. In fact everybody should just not-cheat instead.

9th July 2009, 02:40am
#12
by wealybinn
Bristol England
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 1072

I don't believe I have ever met a 'cheater' on chess.com apart from one player whose name I won't mention but some times He plays brilliantly others he is rubbish! I cannot prove he was cheating but some of HIS games against me were remarkably similar to what most engines thought that he should do...His rating is respectable not high but certainly not low. It is generally in the 1500's.

9th July 2009, 03:53am
#13
by wealybinn
Bristol England
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 1072

NO! because if he has any brains he won't totally use an engine will he? it would be easy to realise he was using an engine and a simple matter to delete him wouldn't it?

9th July 2009, 04:02am
#14
by TonicoTinoco
SP Brazil
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 361
uhavebeenserved wrote:

I have reported three players who were blatantly cheating but had gold or diamond membership while I had none and was told toforget it.  One of them even messaged me what Shredder thought of our position but the admins said that was ok because they did not know using a computer was illegal.  Basically if you have an upgraded membership you can cheat and if you do not then do not waste your time accusing someone even if ur 100% sure because NOTHING will be done.btw I am a 2300fide player who has played tournaments in person since 1980 and only review the games after they are over.  So in synopsis - you will be cheated on - end of post.  Thx for your time


At least you had an answer from the staff about your reporting someone... I have also reported someone and didn't get ANY word from staff saying yes or no, or even if they are doing something and how long it will take to get a final conclusion... Frown

9th July 2009, 04:04am
#15
by TonicoTinoco
SP Brazil
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 361

Should we move this discussion to the Cheating Forum? 

9th July 2009, 04:06am
#16
by NM Reb
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 7857
uhavebeenserved wrote:

I have reported three players who were blatantly cheating but had gold or diamond membership while I had none and was told toforget it.  One of them even messaged me what Shredder thought of our position but the admins said that was ok because they did not know using a computer was illegal.  Basically if you have an upgraded membership you can cheat and if you do not then do not waste your time accusing someone even if ur 100% sure because NOTHING will be done.btw I am a 2300fide player who has played tournaments in person since 1980 and only review the games after they are over.  So in synopsis - you will be cheated on - end of post.  Thx for your time


 I didnt find a Josh Darius on the fide rating lists nor at uschess.org, you started playing fide rated chess "in person" at age 4 ?!  Your profile says you were born 1976....  hhhmmmmmm

9th July 2009, 04:24am
#17
by Baseballfan
Durham, North Carolina United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1872

Cheating in chess is an issue that Chess.com takes seriously. That said, it has minimal impact on the site and shouldn't be a concern for 99.9% of players. Unfortunately, there is much more paranoia about the topic than it actually deserves. Also, having several constant and redundant threads on the topic that circulate with the same questions and comments over and over again isn't helpful, and instead causes people to worry more than they need to. We have posted FAQs below that should address all questions on the topic. We have posted the Chess.com FAQs and policies here: 

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/chesscom-policy-on-cheating?page=1

Thanks for helping keep Chess.com safe and friendly!

 
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