Kramnik: suspicious trips to the bathroom?!

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7th July 2008, 11:02pm
#21
by Schachgeek
Western Hemisphere United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 966

SO what if he has a private bathroom.

Maybe he has flatulence like one GM I kept running into at a National Open years ago in the public restroom. At least he had the courtesy not to disturb the players with his contribution to global warming. 

 

 

 

 


8th July 2008, 04:20am
#22
by RELee1863
Raleigh,NC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 339
hondoham wrote:

"Breakfast of Champions"

(can't resist potty humor)


ROFL


8th July 2008, 03:03pm
#23
by Neil_H
Portsmouth United Kingdom
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 23

You only have to go through the games and you can see that Kramnik's games with Topalov had human mistakes that a computer would not make in them.

 Players like Kramnik don't need computer assitance.

When you see players who were 1950 ELO beating 2600 GM's you have a reason to be suspicious over them.

It seems like the cheating problem has got better now or am I out of touch?


8th July 2008, 03:13pm
#24
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1634

lol

Player 1: "check" and a !! start of a brilliant mating combination

Player 2: "let's just say i'm sitting in the right chair!"


9th July 2008, 09:17pm
#25
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22576

There is a lot of dirty laundry at world chess matches!

Kramnik has an artritis. It is a very complicated disease, with special drugs involved to the cure, including some strong diuretics...

I has a lot of patients , with same live health problems.


9th July 2008, 09:32pm
#26
by FichersAdvocate
New York Barbados
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 5

However much I would like to believe that Kramnik is innocent, its pretty fishy of him to be going to the restroom 50 times. Hmm well theres always food posioning.....

 

Kramnik + private restroom and 24 hour access= Yell


9th July 2008, 09:36pm
#27
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22576
Kramnik was too boring to play with Topalov, as well!
10th July 2008, 01:25am
#28
by wharris
Glasgow Scotland
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 33

The reason Kramnik went to the toilet so many times is exactly as awardchess posted. The guy was on meds for the whole tournament he was so ill. The decision to uphold the forfeit on game 5 is yet another addition to the history of FIDE blunders.
I wonder if Dainalov would have complained if his man wasn't getting absolutely hammerd at that point, and by a guy who clearly was not well at that.


10th July 2008, 02:02am
#29
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4066
wharris wrote:

The reason Kramnik went to the toilet so many times is exactly as awardchess posted. The guy was on meds for the whole tournament he was so ill. The decision to uphold the forfeit on game 5 is yet another addition to the history of FIDE blunders.
I wonder if Dainalov would have complained if his man wasn't getting absolutely hammerd at that point, and by a guy who clearly was not well at that.


FIDE was certainly correct to uphold the forfeited game. Kramnik was present and simply refused to play a move and let his hour elapse without making a move. The rules are clear on this and NO exception should be made for Kramnik. Fischer also forfeited game 2 in 1972 but he didnt even show up, when his 1 hour expired he was forfeited. The decision to forfeit both Fischer and Kramnik is correct and shouldnt be questioned. Rules are rules afterall.


11th July 2008, 06:34pm
#30
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22576
New World Chess Match will be Hold at the two special separate rooms, so everyone will feel free by own Chess  Health Privacy!
11th July 2008, 07:17pm
#31
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1634
I kind of agree with that, but did they not agree to play with separate bathrooms?  If the match conditions were changed in the middle of the match, then i'd say he has every right to stop playing, and if it's put right he should not be penalised.  If there were no such conditions, then of course, he forfeits the point. 
11th July 2008, 08:03pm
#32
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22576

Fisher demand own Pool!

And more pocket money!.. 


11th July 2008, 08:08pm
#33
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 3078
Reb wrote:

FIDE was certainly correct to uphold the forfeited game. Kramnik was present and simply refused to play a move and let his hour elapse without making a move. The rules are clear on this and NO exception should be made for Kramnik.


 Except that the game was not started under the rules that Kramnik agreed to. If the arbiter removed a piece from Kramnik's side of the board and started the clocks would you expect him to play anyway?


11th July 2008, 08:11pm
#34
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22576
FIDE is very strange, Corrupt and suspicious organization!
11th July 2008, 08:16pm
#35
by anonym
following the guidon United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 268
Yes, now chess professionals can win big money but before the immortal Bobby Fischer the grandmasters competed in tournaments that offered them only chump change.
11th July 2008, 08:24pm
#36
by anonym
following the guidon United States
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Chess is for Kalmykia what postal stamps are for Pitcairn Island.
11th July 2008, 08:55pm
#37
by massiel
florida United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 1
depthshaman wrote:

Couldn't help but get a laugh from this excerpt from wikipedia on Topalov. During the FIDE World Chess Championship 2006 apparently Topalov and his team accused Kramnik of visiting his private bathroom a ridiculous number of times during their match. They suspected that Kramnik was recieving computer assistance in the bathroom. They even released pictures showing cables coming from the ceiling of the bathroom! Kramnik forfeited game 5 in protest so he could retain his private bathroom which was larger than the proposed public one so he could "pace" in the bathroom. 

Here's the excerpt:

 On 28 September 2006, Danailov published a press release, casting suspicion on Kramnik's behaviour during the games. The Bulgarian team made a public statement that Kramnik visited his private bathroom (the only place without any audio or video surveillance) unreasonably often, about 50 times per game (a number that FIDE officials later claimed to be exaggerated[6]) and made the most significant decisions in the game in the bathroom.

They also demanded that the organizers of the tournament make available to journalists the surveillance video from Kramnik's room for games 1 through 4. The organizers made parts of the video available, explaining that other parts of it were missing due to technical issues. Danailov demanded to stop the use of private restrooms and bathrooms, and threatened to reconsider Topalov's participation in the match.[7] The Appeals Committee that governed the match agreed, and ruled that the players' private restrooms should be closed and replaced with a shared one.

Kramnik refused to play game 5 and was forfeited. On 1 October, the restroom issue was resolved in Kramnik's favour and the Appeals Committee resigned and were replaced. The FIDE president Kirsan Ilyumzhinov decided that the current score of 3-2 should be preserved. He also indicated that this was not a compromise decision but his own.[8] The match resumed on 2 October 2006.

On 1 October, the Association of Chess Professionals released a statement denouncing Danailov for publicly accusing his opponent without evidence, and calling for him to be investigated by the FIDE Ethics Committee. Topalov has also been similarly denounced by numerous top players, including former World Champions Anatoly Karpov, Boris Spassky, and Viswanathan Anand, grandmaster Viktor Korchnoi,[9] former US Champions Lev Alburt and Yasser Seirawan, and others.[10][11]

On 3 October, Topalov said in a press conference, "I believe that his (Kramnik's) play is fair, and my decision to continue the match proves it".[12] However the next day the crisis escalated, with Topalov's manager strongly implying that Kramnik was receiving computer assistance.[13]

In a post-match interview, Danailov expressed a desire for a rematch between Topalov and Kramnik, saying, “FIDE regulations allow every world champion that has lost the title to challenge the title holder. The total prize fund is 1.5 million dollars. We will find this money and will request the game to take place in Sofia. We will offer an exact date, 3rd of March 2007.”[14] However this will be impossible, because according to FIDE's regulations such a match must be held and finished six months before the next world championship, which will begin in September 2007 in Mexico.

On 14 December 2006, Topalov directly accused Kramnik of using computer assistance in their World Championship match.[15] On 14 February 2007, Topalov's manager released pictures, purporting to show cables in the ceiling of a toilet used by Kramnik during the World Championship match in Elista. They were supposedly reported to the authorities, who Danailov claims suppressed the information. The Topalov team claims they were pressured by officials to keep their allegations quiet.[16] On 29 July 2007, following a complaint by Kramnik's manager Carsten Hansel, the FIDE Ethics Commission sanctioned Topalov with "a severe reprimand" because of the accusations made in the interview of 14 December. According to the Ethics Commission, "these statements were clearly defamatory and damaged the honour of Mr. Vladimir Kramnik, harming his personal and professional reputation".[17]

 

Pretty bizzare huh? I have no idea how to feel about it. I suppose I am biased against Kramnik, but both players made blunders during the match that a computer would not. 


 


i thik their stupid hes just mad kramnick is better:>

 


14th July 2008, 06:15pm
#38
by Rookbuster
Some Town United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 368

Was he cheating or using the facility?  Depends??!! heh 


14th July 2008, 06:42pm
#39
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22576

"Will there be a repeat of the "toilet affair" in Bonn?

Not at all. I am convinced that in the world of chess currently there is only one person from whom we can expect such behaviour. Vishy Anand has never taken pleasure in scandals, and neither have I. From a chess point of view you can expect a very balanced and tough match. My task is to play the very best chess in Bonn and to win the match."


21st July 2008, 09:03pm
#40
by mpk2klang
Sentosa OK China
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 113

 why did he need to go bathroom so many, just for peace! OR excuses ?


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