About long games in tournamest - once again...

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3rd January 2009, 02:39am
#1
by LydiaBlonde
Zagreb Croatia
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 596

In the French Defence Open Tournament, 1st round, only one game is still in progress. Only one game - last two monts, for the last before the last was concluded two months ago! The tournament started 16th of May last year and I didn't remember my games. And all that time, in the last game - white has a rook less, and reject to resign,and he can play next 30-40 days. This game decided nothing - 1st and 2nd place in their group is clear. Ane we, who cualified fot the next round, need to wait this game to conclude... And the winer of the tournament will be the last surviver, for all other will dye... Yell

It's similar in the 3rd Chess.com Tournament (2001-2200). Only one game last 29 days - all of us wait - fortunatelly, it wiil be mate in 2 moves.

It's ridiculous. The system of playing tournaments need to be improved. Surprised

3rd January 2009, 02:49am
#2
by Rocket2050
World International
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 854

Agree on 100%. Such playars there,r nothing to do in chess.

3rd January 2009, 03:07am
#3
by Chessroshi
Indianapolis United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 739

maybe what they could do is have the arbiter have the lagging side give them a justification for their delay in a lost position, a mathmatical 'proof' of sorts. If they cannot furnish adequate lines of play that show hope, their game should be 'finalized by force', especially if the play category is 2000+. I am just a mediocre hack, but I can understand when a game is bust. No amount of stalling will make the chess truth at the board magically change into win. These rude players should be tourney banned upon repeat offences. There should be some sort of code of conduct for tournaments that players can follow.

3rd January 2009, 05:47am
#4
by PerfectGent
St Andrews Scotland
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1722

they have done nothing wrong. they are playing within the time limits.

either join faster time limits or

look up other threads which have suggested the sensible idea of where this game cannot affect the players going through then the next rounds should continue and let them play their game out as they wish

3rd January 2009, 08:06am
#5
by Rocket2050
World International
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 854

It as in court - proofs do not suffice, the thief is justified.

3rd January 2009, 09:10am
#6
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 10166

yes, we need to work on this. i have adjudicated one of the games. i will do that for the other in a few days if you remind me :)

3rd January 2009, 09:26pm
#7
by LydiaBlonde
Zagreb Croatia
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 596

The 2nd round in the 3rd Chess.com Tournament (2001-2200) started. Thx, Erik!

The problem is that you can't plan a time-table of tournaments: I don't like to play many games simultaneously, maybe 15, two tournaments. Then, I expect thad 2nd round will start fas, and I desist some tournaments - however, then it didn't start next 3-4 months...

I think, it's possible to say that 4 month is a maximum for a game in a tournament with normal time of 3 days per move, and then, a committe of experts (people with rating >2400 or so) decided about games still in progress - in most cases, it is clear that it's draw or somebody is lost and they must not use more then few minutes. Sometimes,  it can be more complicated and a discussion is needed, but they can to decide.

3rd January 2009, 09:37pm
#8
by onosson
Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 727

It seems very reasonable that, once the winner(s) of a round have been determined without any doubt, any games still in progress which could not conceivably affect the outcome of the larger pool should not hold up the start of the next round of play.

3rd January 2009, 09:38pm
#9
by shakje
Tyne and Wear, UK Scotland
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1005

I think it's good to allow all players to finish all their games, especially as some players will want to take the chance to play higher rated opponents, however couldn't it be arranged so that once a group is decided the rest of the games become essentially friendlies and the tournament moves on automatically?

3rd January 2009, 09:40pm
#10
by onosson
Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 727
shakje wrote:

I think it's good to allow all players to finish all their games, especially as some players will want to take the chance to play higher rated opponents, however couldn't it be arranged so that once a group is decided the rest of the games become essentially friendlies and the tournament moves on automatically?


Exactly - let them finish out their games, and retain all potential point gains/losses - but also let the rest of the tournament move on once the outcome is clear.

3rd January 2009, 09:47pm
#11
by shakje
Tyne and Wear, UK Scotland
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1005

Ah, missed what gent said, apologies.

3rd January 2009, 09:48pm
#12
by onosson
Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 727

None necessary - I probably could have stated it more clearly in the first place!

3rd January 2009, 10:10pm
#13
by joetheplumber
The White House United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 305

I agree. It seems that the tourney can go on before every single last insignificant game of round one is played out. As soon as the winner(s) of every group are known for sure, the next round should begin and the other game can continue at the leasure of the other players.

4th January 2009, 12:48am
#14
by Rocket2050
World International
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 854

There,r other variation - create else one tournaments limit,not only 3 days on move but and for example 2 month on game. If has not kept within this time, tecknical lose in tournament, hoewer it can possible to end game out of it.

18th January 2009, 03:18am
#15
by LydiaBlonde
Zagreb Croatia
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 596

After two weeks, it the same : French Defence Open Tournament, 1st round, only one game is still in progress. It's near to three months after the last game before it was concluded. White, munchkin, has rook and two pawns less, and still won't not to resign. 43 players, who qualified for the 2nd round, wait the end of this game. Yell We started 8 month ago! And I afraid, when the 3rd round started, I will can't play... for I will need to carry for my grandchildren... Tongue out

18th January 2009, 03:50am
#16
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 2587

It might help to send Erik a note to remind him (if he doesn't take notice of this thread).

P.S.

I forgot how to play the French.

18th January 2009, 04:06am
#17
by MM78
Ireland
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 3172

it's actually even more silly since the result of that match cannot affect who goes through from that group and so the second round could kick off.  I think I read somewhere that for the future in that scenario the second round could go ahead.

18th January 2009, 04:14am
#18
by rich34788
Shakespeare's leafy county United Kingdom
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 458

This is why I don't like playing in big tourno's...

18th January 2009, 04:20am
#19
by corum
Leeds England
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 350

I understand why there is vacation time and I have used it for a few days myself once or twice. However, I do think something should be done about use of vacation time in tournaments. Maybe it could be limited to a few days per tournament or something. The problem is, the auto-proptection for paying members is important (that is part of the reason why some people pay) - I just think it gets abused in tournaments. I am involved in some tournaments where they have been going on so long I can hardly remember when they started.

18th January 2009, 01:07pm
#20
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 10166

game adjudicated.

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