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  • 5 years ago · #1161

    TheGrobe

    But, as with law enforcement, surely the margin of error should be tuned in favour of missing the hard-to-catch over inflicting collateral damage on innocents, no?

  • 5 years ago · #1162

    bigpoison

    TheGrobe wrote:

    But, as with law enforcement, surely the margin of error should be tuned in favour of missing the hard-to-catch over inflicting collateral damage on innocents, no?


    You are an innocent lad, aren't you?

  • 5 years ago · #1163

    TheGrobe

    I did say should....

  • 5 years ago · #1165

    TheGrobe

    I find it suspect that the leading propoent of the undetectability and unprovability of engine assistance has "statistics that prove" some of the hardest to detect cases are rampant here.

    It's terribly unstable footing, really.

  • 5 years ago · #1166

    richie_and_oprah

    Ozzie, because Fritz alone on a website is playing mostly other centaurs.

     

    One on one it is a monster.   Here it is a pipsqueek.

  • 5 years ago · #1167

    richie_and_oprah

    Fritz without opening book tweaking will get beaten down to about 2100-2200 on ICCF.

    Here, it is running at about 2250 peak performance.   This alone, is proof to me that user playing against it are users themselves.

    BEST SIGN of engine use:  If one is using an engine and LOSES to a player below 2400, that winning player has a better engine.  What is to not get here?

     

    So, now I have people that have been using and they are losing to people on this site that are 1900.  How is this possible?  How can Fritz lose to a 1900?

    Because the 1900 is using Rybka, that is how.

  • 5 years ago · #1169

    richie_and_oprah

    Currently running Alienware   Intel® Core i7 Extreme OC's to 3.86 Ghz with Intel® X58 Chipset for deep analysis.

    When someone with a Dell Pentium IV runs Fritz and loses to a player rated 2400, there is no certainty if the winner is a centaur or not, but it is most likely they were.

  • 5 years ago · #1170

    richie_and_oprah

    ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
    richie_and_oprah wrote:

    Ozzie, because Fritz alone on a website is playing mostly other centaurs.

     

    One on one it is a monster.   Here it is a pipsqueek.


    So am I just lucky that I'm playing mostly humans?


    No, it is your badge.  It is an intimdating factor, so engine users will shut down against you. 

    It helps them fly under the radar.

  • 5 years ago · #1171

    richie_and_oprah

    If you register as a regular user and dropped your title I guarantee your experiences would radically change.

  • 5 years ago · #1172

    richie_and_oprah

    My dad used to beat me if I opened my mouth and could not back up my claims.

     

    He is still alive and could be reading all this.  Wink

  • 5 years ago · #1173

    Xhu

    A quick question: could somebody please enlighten me as to the meaning of "centaur" in this context? It's probably been explained somewhere in the thread, but that could be anywhere within 60+ pages.

  • 5 years ago · #1174

    richie_and_oprah

    Chess player guiding an engine.

     

    Straight engine use could get caught up in horizon effects.

    Centaurs play out the moves, go back, readjust lines, and then input others lines and test out things before comiiting to move orders.

    They avoid typical engine-use traps.

  • 5 years ago · #1175

    Xhu

    Thanks. I'll now fade back into the shadows.

  • 5 years ago · #1176

    87654321

    e4 is way better than d4

  • 5 years ago · #1177

    TheGrobe

    A centaur is someone who uses their chess skills to guide an engine in order augment its play as opposed to a pure engine user who blindly copies the engines moves.  A good centaur can typically beat a standalone engine.

  • 5 years ago · #1178

    richie_and_oprah

    Centaurs will crush Fritz.

    But really to be a good centaur, you need to be about 2000 to begin with.

     

     Centaurs rated 1200 end up as 2100's here.

     

    My own centauring efforts got me to only 2270 on ICCF.  With no engine I was rated 1972!  Only 300 +/- points for the engine!  This is about average for most weak centaurs.

    Strong ones could gain about 300-1,000 rating points.

  • 5 years ago · #1180

    erik

    ok guys. i love the discussion, but it's time to move it off the public forums. i've created a group for discussing this stuff here

    => http://www.chess.com/groups/home/cheating-forum

    enjoy!


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