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17th June 2009, 02:37pm
#1241
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land International
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 1861

Chess player guiding an engine.

 

Straight engine use could get caught up in horizon effects.

Centaurs play out the moves, go back, readjust lines, and then input others lines and test out things before comiiting to move orders.

They avoid typical engine-use traps.

17th June 2009, 02:38pm
#1242
by Xhu
England
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 112

Thanks. I'll now fade back into the shadows.

17th June 2009, 02:38pm
#1243
by 87654321
England
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 302

e4 is way better than d4

17th June 2009, 02:39pm
#1244
by TheGrobe
Calgary Canada
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 4617

A centaur is someone who uses their chess skills to guide an engine in order augment its play as opposed to a pure engine user who blindly copies the engines moves.  A good centaur can typically beat a standalone engine.

17th June 2009, 02:39pm
#1245
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land International
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 1861

Centaurs will crush Fritz.

But really to be a good centaur, you need to be about 2000 to begin with.

 

 Centaurs rated 1200 end up as 2100's here.

 

My own centauring efforts got me to only 2270 on ICCF.  With no engine I was rated 1972!  Only 300 +/- points for the engine!  This is about average for most weak centaurs.

Strong ones could gain about 300-1,000 rating points.

17th June 2009, 02:44pm
#1246
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4135
richie_and_oprah wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
richie_and_oprah wrote:

Ozzie, because Fritz alone on a website is playing mostly other centaurs.

 

One on one it is a monster.   Here it is a pipsqueek.


So am I just lucky that I'm playing mostly humans?


No, it is your badge.  It is an intimdating factor, so engine users will shut down against you. 

It helps them fly under the radar.


 I dont agree with this Richie. My "badge" of NM certainly doesnt stop people using engines against me. I have been beaten by several ( about a dozen so far ) that were later banned for cheating. I think the opposite of you. A weaker player using an engine only some games is more likely to do so in tournaments and against much stronger players and/or titled players. To throw off suspicion they may then lose to much weaker players. I will go through my games archive just to see how many I have played that have been busted for "cheating".

17th June 2009, 04:01pm
#1247
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 10120

ok guys. i love the discussion, but it's time to move it off the public forums. i've created a group for discussing this stuff here

=> http://www.chess.com/groups/home/cheating-forum

enjoy!

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