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exactly my thoughts
Hi, I also have a question. If I use an Game Opening Explorer during my games, which I do, is that considered cheating? If it is, please close my account for cheating because those wins that I have I would feel I don't deserve.
It is allowed in turn based, but not in Live. This is all outlined clearly in Erik's original post.
rybka3 and deeprybka3 were using computers? I'm shocked, shocked.
Note to cheaters: it's stupid to try. It's stupider still to name your account after a frigging chess engine!
Please, don't use offensive words. This place is for positive socializing, not offensive language. My latest suggestion:a filter that screens bad words, censors them, and then presses charges against the speaker.
I have a similar request, but instead of screening "bad" words I'd like one that censors ridiculous ideas, and instead of filing charges I'd settle for mild electro-shock via the keyboard of the poster.
It is a sensible theme and I want be careful with my comment. But I am convinced, that here is much more cheating than it can be proved
Especially that, what I would call "Intelligent cheating". I mean people, that try to wipe out their traces by using engines sometimes or/and using older programs..
So one thing should be clear. It is as doping on tour de france. The "cheaters" are always looking for better methods to hide their doings. And the controllers are always at least one step behind
My suggestion: Everyone about 2200 should prove his national ranking and ratings in OTB-games. I am convinced, that many things would become clearer
I wonder what a lawyerwouldsayaboutallofthis.....
An interesting idea! Of course chess.com would be asking for roughly 1000 pieces of identification... which is way too much. But if you were to bring that number up to 2500 or such... not a bad idea. I know it would take me 2 seconds to send a link to my CFC rating page. Maybe a little longer to prove that it's me...
If that would ever go into action, yeah, it would have to be much higher than 2200... my rating has almost inflated to that high (been playing too many lower rated players) and I don't even have an official otb rating.
A national rating or a rating from 10 years ago would not say too much. Also, maybe there are people who cannot play otb. My case for instance ... there is a chess club, 2-3 hours away. It's open on Tuesday and Thursday 7-11 pm. Well, I just don't want to return home at about 1 am and then get up the next day to go to work. And maybe I can't afford tournament fees...
What would prove an OTB rating to you? If a person is let's say 2200 (probably the upper limit an amateur player can reach), do you think that this is enough to justify why that person consistently produces games at super-GM quality?
A serious site would not be afraid to accuse a GM of cheating (remember the story of the "smart" Kosteniuk on ICC). Yes, even GMs cheat, if given the opportunity. Even a super-gm, Naiditcsh (2700+) admitted to cheat on internet (and probably he will always be remembered as the first GM cheater).
Chess.com can not bann you if you are a paying member, unless they give you your money back. Why? Because you can not prove that somebody is cheating on the Internet. Thats a fact. All that blaablabla is just that blablablaa.
Remember that guys..... peace
not true :) read the Terms of Service
I guess the player named I Learned In Jail didn't really learn there.
Just read the comment about matching ratings by mauerblume. I'm not a 2,000 player, let alone a 2,200 one. I did hit 1,890 after a highly rated plater withdrew from a tournament and I got two wins against him that way which jumped my rating up. I think I am a solid 1,625-1,725 in on-line chess. But I haven't played a serious OTB game in over 30 years and I stink in live Chess because I'm just not ready for it. I need time to make a move. I give myself 2 minutes a move and then move in 2 seconds. Comparing my live rating and on-line ratings would not be fair. Maybe such does not happen as drastically in the 2,000+ realm but I bet it happens to some degree with some players.
This seems like a bad move from a PR stand point Erik. Why not just let him think what he thinks?
i don't want people to think that by becoming a premium member we then allow you to cheat. :)
Databases and books are ok to use in turn-based chess already. You just can't use an engine.
Hmm... that could be a real money-maker, you know. A new "Plutonium" membership that allows one engine consultation per 20 moves or something. Additional consultations could be paid for on a pay-as-you-cheat basis. You could use a little computer for the membership-type icon - mostly as a warning to the rest of us.
What if some of my games I have played in the past are in Explorer? Or Chess Base? Or ECO?
Can I refer to them when playing on chess.com?Just because a move is in data base or book, it was my idea originally so I can still use it. RIght? Right?
Thats just dumb for me as far as I understand it using any help game explorer, openings book or chess engine is just cheating the same idea apply and it is you will get better results (or worst) then you would playing on your own with your own ideas.
I see no diference between choosing moves based on game explorer, or based in rybka infinite analisis then choosing 1 line that looks better from the tree, bottom line is you would not think on any of those lines by yourself, but due to previous game you see somewere you choose to play it, that just makes you another cheater, the problem here is there is no real way to prove someone is cheating in chess, so what if my moves match 99% of the moves fritz choose, maybe Im in a good mood or fritz is drunk but coming to this post and sayin... mmm I'm actually not sure If I was cheating I just used outside help to make my moves for me was that wrong?? Obviously is wrong and the person is a nincompoop so as far as I'm concerned delete hic2482w rating
I just found out (looking at the list of cheaters) that I lost 4 games to them (out of 86 I played at all), it's 4.6% and 18% of the lost games. Please, understand me right, I appreciate your honesty with making cheaters names public. At least I don't blame now Petrov defense ( which I stopped to play after one of these losses), but it looks like much more work needs to be done to get rid of these parasites.
Oh boy another cheater amazing!
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