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Debate: What to call "Online Chess"...


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #621

    chess_kebabs

    Sooner wrote:

    babs, in response to your comment #642, I say wasn't everyone eligible to vote on the question, whether premium or non-premium member? I think so. Each vote cast was an expressed opinion just as the verbal opinions, ranging from the serious to the frivolous, were. The important difference is that the votes are quantifiable opinions, whereas the verbal opinions are anecdotal and probably supernumerary to the votes anyway. Therefore, the preference expressed by the votes should be given greater weight; and those preferences should be given great deference by Erik. After all, presumably, the customers of the site provide him and his staff their bread and butter. Successful businesses satisfy the majority of their customers. So should he. Erik asked for the preference of his customers by a vote. He got it, and it is for "correspondence chess." So he should replace the term "online chess" with "correspondence chess" on the basis of the preference expressed in the vote. Also, we don't have to assume that the members who voted for "online chess" are a good sample of the general membership. Everyone was free to vote. Some did; some did not. We don't have to assume anything. We just need to count the votes.

    Well I agree with you Sooner, that 'Correspondence Chess 'is the winning choice here, but Erik might say he was only after ideas here, not votes because he wouldn't rely on the votes of a minority of members when there are 5 million members here (of course not all active). Some  might argue that the minority who voted here for 'Correspondence Chess' isn't a true sample/reflection on what the rest of the site would want / vote for. I personally think we can rely on that sample  being valid and enough to go on because I think the  majority of the others 'out there' either don't care or would vote for 'Correspondence Chess' if they knew there was a place to vote for the  name to stay or change. So putting aside those that don't care and reading the intelligent and logical reasons  given by many to have the name 'Correspondence Chess', I think it's not wise to go with any other name.  

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #622

    chess_kebabs

    And also  because it's a 'recognised' name in the world of chess players already.. another reason not to have another name...

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #623

    chess_kebabs

    'Daily Chess' says nothing..   we can play any kind of chess daily.. Live chess, OTB Chess, Correspondence chess.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #624

    chessplayer11

    sarsaila wrote:
    chessplayer11 wrote:

    A large majority? 825 people (only of which frequent this thread) out of 5 million users. 0.0165048% of the user based have voted for it. The opinions of the vast majority aren't here.

    Unlike most surveys, I don't think the margin of error here was the typical ±4%.

    Just pointing this out.

    5 milion users is a blatant exagerration.

    I know. But erik keeps mentioning the number of users on the site as such; how hard it is to deal with 5 million demanding customers pointing out bugs, etc. as opposed to just registered users. :)

    I find it amusing. I think the server would crash, and then throw up all of its data all over the internet if that many came here at once, causing new myspace-like sites to spawn everywhere.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #625

    netzach

    Wow, that's perceptive & intelligent comment!  Reading between the lines think what Erik want's is crisp,sharp,modern presentation of the site so it has broad-appeal & fences with other competing-sites ?

    & why not ?? ( as long as chess & it's tradition respected anything goes )

    @chess_kebabs (post#654)

    Look at a sites such as '' Chesscube ''' for example there is a world of difference in appearnce & though chess.com better does not want to miss picking up new-members browsing around the web ?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #626

    chess_kebabs

    There aren't 5 million active members here.. how many are duplicate account holders? How many are accounts of people who drifted away from the site and didn't bother closing their account.

    I bet TONS.

    And we can see by how many people are playing Live chess at any one time, usually somewhere  between 5000 and 8000 members, that 5 million active members is very inaccurate. As well as how many are online in chess.com at any one time... right at this second there are 4,974 members online. 

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #627

    chess_kebabs

    But being able to show there are almost 5 million accounts in chess.com would be good for marketing to advertisers, so hey, more money coming into the site is a benefit to all, if spent on the site . :)

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #628

    Bex1p

    according to the online rank, there are just over 252,000 players.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #629

    Sooner

    I agree with you almost perfectly, babs. Except to say that "Erik might say he was only after ideas here, not votes" is mere conjecture. What he said was: 

    Click here to vote on the name!

    I can tell only what he said, not what he might say.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #630

    chess_kebabs

    netzach wrote:

    Wow, that's perceptive & intelligent comment!  Reading between the lines think what Erik want's is crisp,sharp,modern presentation of the site so it has broad-appeal & fences with competing-sites ?

    & why not ?? ( as long as chess & it's tradition respected anything goes )

    @chess_kebabs (post#654)

    Look at a sites such as '' Chesscube ''' for example there is a world of difference in appearnce & though chess.com better does not want to miss picking up new-members browsing around the web ?

     Well if changing the name to something that is very casual will make a 'signficant' difference to gaining more members, gaining more paying members, and possibly more advertisers as a result, hence more money coming into the site, then I would support that if it means more money being available and used for further site developments. 

    Like some said it might attract more of the casual players.. not the serious players, I don't know.. I know for myself whatever the name is called for these types of games is not going to be the deciding factor if I joined or not. 'Understanding' what's available here would be more important to me.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #631

    chess_kebabs

    Bex1p wrote:

    according to the online rank, there are just over 252,000 players.

    Do you mean online now?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #632

    chess_kebabs

    Sooner wrote:

    I agree with you almost perfectly, babs. Except to say that "Erik might say he was only after ideas here, not votes" is mere conjecture. What he said was: 

    Click here to vote on the name!

    I can tell only what he said, not what he might say.

    I missed that post or any posts asking for votes Sooner. 

    Erik has also stated today that he still only likes Daily Chess and Anytime Chess, which gives me the impression that the votes won't matter. :)

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #633

    netzach

    chess_kebabs wrote:
    netzach wrote:

    Wow, that's perceptive & intelligent comment!  Reading between the lines think what Erik want's is crisp,sharp,modern presentation of the site so it has broad-appeal & fences with competing-sites ?

    & why not ?? ( as long as chess & it's tradition respected anything goes )

    @chess_kebabs (post#654)

    Look at a sites such as '' Chesscube ''' for example there is a world of difference in appearnce & though chess.com better does not want to miss picking up new-members browsing around the web ?

     Well if changing the name to something that is very casual will make a 'signficant' difference to gaining more members, gaining more paying members, and possibly more advertisers as a result, hence more money coming into the site, then I would support that if it means more money being available and used for further site developments. 

    Like some said it might attract more of the casual players.. not the serious players, I don't know.. I know for myself whatever the name is called for these types of games is not going to be the deciding factor if I joined or not. 'Understanding' what's available here would be more important to me.

    Agree Babs. Think first-impressions count & with Erik on that (Is good-business). Doubt serious chess-players would be turned-off by modern appearance/names for chess-variants. Are intelligent people & would quickly navigate to what they need.

    When I first came across this site (years ago) thought it was quirky/old-fashioned in appearance (still liked though !) & did not play chess here for quite some time. Future of chess very important with young-people & must attract them to this site as 1st-choice.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #634

    Sooner

    chessplayer11, yes, that's it exactly.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #635

    Bex1p

    chess_kebabs wrote:
    Bex1p wrote:

    according to the online rank, there are just over 252,000 players.

    Do you mean online now?

    No its been at taht for a while, on my stats, i am ranked 90 something thousand out of 252000.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #636

    Sooner

    _valentin_, the English term "correspondence" doesn't refer exclusively to postal mail, either. Besides, we all have access to dictionaries, both online and in book form. Don't we think that anyone who doesn't already know what "correspondence" means and were interested enough in playing chess on the site would look it up and find out what it means?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #637

    chess_kebabs

    netzach wrote:
    chess_kebabs wrote:
    netzach wrote:

    Wow, that's perceptive & intelligent comment!  Reading between the lines think what Erik want's is crisp,sharp,modern presentation of the site so it has broad-appeal & fences with competing-sites ?

    & why not ?? ( as long as chess & it's tradition respected anything goes )

    @chess_kebabs (post#654)

    Look at a sites such as '' Chesscube ''' for example there is a world of difference in appearnce & though chess.com better does not want to miss picking up new-members browsing around the web ?

     Well if changing the name to something that is very casual will make a 'signficant' difference to gaining more members, gaining more paying members, and possibly more advertisers as a result, hence more money coming into the site, then I would support that if it means more money being available and used for further site developments. 

    Like some said it might attract more of the casual players.. not the serious players, I don't know.. I know for myself whatever the name is called for these types of games is not going to be the deciding factor if I joined or not. 'Understanding' what's available here would be more important to me.

    Agree Babs. Think first-impressions count & with Erik on that (Is good-business). Doubt serious chess-players would be turned-off by modern appearance. Are intelligent people & would quickly navigate to what they need.

    Sure Aidan, but I'm not a serious chess player in the sense I don't play in OTB tournaments or study hard like the pros here, and I know it wouldn't put me off playing if I saw the name 'Correspondence Chess', I would just want to know how the games worked.. 

    If 'daily chess' is the chosen name, some education should come with it, as in what the heck does it mean.. as with any name chosen as we all pretty much agreed on one thing.. all names fail to describe the style of play to everyone..  

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #638

    Sooner

    babs, in reference to my post #662 and your #665, Erik's post calling for a vote is in post #1! If Erick were just going to choose a name he likes regardless of what a majority of voters want, why would he call for a vote? None would be needed for that.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #639

    chessplayer11

    Sooner wrote:

    [...]Therefore, the preference expressed by the votes should be given greater weight; and those preferences should be given great deference by Erik. After all, presumably, the customers of the site provide him and his staff their bread and butter. Successful businesses satisfy the majority of their customers. So should he. Erik asked for the preference of his customers by a vote. He got it, and it is for "correspondence chess." So he should replace the term "online chess" with "correspondence chess" on the basis of the preference expressed in the vote. Also, we don't have to assume that the members who voted for "correspondence chess" are a good sample of the general membership. Everyone was free to vote. Some did; some did not. We don't have to assume anything. We just need to count the votes.

    I must have missed the part where erik said that the top vote there would be the deciding factor for a name change.

    I imagine that it's simply a way to get you guys to come up with new names for him and get a basic feel for what you what, nothing more.

    I doubt you guys have any real input, like it or not. You're just being used to come up with names, and when/if he sees one he likes, that'll will be the choice.

    Don't try to believe that some poll will be the deciding factor regardless of how many people voted.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #640

    chess_kebabs

    Bex1p wrote:
    chess_kebabs wrote:
    Bex1p wrote:

    according to the online rank, there are just over 252,000 players.

    Do you mean online now?

    No its been at taht for a while, on my stats, i am ranked 90 something thousand out of 252000.

    Ah yes, forgot about that stat, duh... 

    Well there you go.. 252,000 is nowhere near 5 million. That's more like 1/20th of 5 million, roughly. 


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