Enuf with The Dream Team Monopoly Already!!!

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14th November 2008, 04:15pm
#1
by Billium248
Detroit Rock City (GMT-5), MI United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 11423

Have you ever noticed how there are no Open Seeks in the Team Matches?  That's because The Dream Team accepts ALL of them!!  I've seen other groups put "Not The Dream Team Please" in the title of their challenges, so I'm obviously not the only one who's having this problem.  I don't mind playing them here and there, but when I put out 6 totally different challenges, I'm hoping to play 6 totally different groups.  Not the same group TWELVE TIMES!!!!  There are 769 groups on Chess.com.   Don't you think someone ELSE might want to play occasionally?

Yell

14th November 2008, 04:34pm
#2
by Billium248
Detroit Rock City (GMT-5), MI United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 11423

It defeats the purpose of having multiple matches if the same people are in every match!!

14th November 2008, 04:45pm
#3
by kco
Perth Australia
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 8944

What the matter billium, have you spat the dummy ?Tongue out

14th November 2008, 05:29pm
#4
by erik
Bay Area, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 10632

one way around this is to directly challenge other groups. but yes, that isn't quite fair... hrmm....

14th November 2008, 09:48pm
#5
by zlhflans
Tampa Bay, Fl United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 2768

Excellent point.

14th November 2008, 10:11pm
#6
by hammer-54
Melbourne, Fla. United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 42

I am a member of no group, so I don't know what a dream team is except in Olympic basketball.So there.

15th November 2008, 12:36am
#7
by Qubit
Michigan United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 277

The 'acceptance' of all seeks by the Dream Team is about as unfair as 'not resigning' in a lost position! 

15th November 2008, 12:54am
#8
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4254

Less drastic than blocking whole groups would be to be able to specify some extra parameters on the Open Seek. For instance, Maximum Group Size. This Best Group Match would enable similar-sized groups to play each other and would achieve a fairer contest (in much the same way as the Best Team Match proposal (described here http://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/first-come-first-served-team-chess ).

15th November 2008, 01:58am
#9
by bamboozel
Antwerp Belgium
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 1656

well said :p

15th November 2008, 01:58am
#10
by wjones4
PA United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1247

Why don't we just systematically beat them until they give up on accepting challenges from us?

15th November 2008, 02:33am
#11
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4254

Nice try, Rael, at trying to get this thread locked!

I think you may be being harsh on the Dream Team. They are a victim of their own success. The GROUPS mechanism itself could justifiably be the target of your criticism. TDT have merely exploited the scheme to its limits. You could just as well blame the USA for being the only superpower.

What is needed is a power-balancing arrangement such as matching groups by size, or teams by rating power.

15th November 2008, 02:48am
#12
by Jayded
Cape Town South Africa
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 62

Why dont we play them out of it. If we win then they disband, if we lose then they can remain.

15th November 2008, 03:26am
#13
by petershaby
Exeter England England
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1282

I have stopped playing group vote chess as I had my suspicions about a very large team flooding their opponents team with rogue votes. Perhaps it was coincidence - perhaps not, but it is easy for a number from a large group to join a small group for the purpose of sabotaging their efforts.

15th November 2008, 03:26am
#14
by Aristokatt
UPPER STRATOSPHERE United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1940

Just like some high school or college click. A sub group formed within the larger intended group that touts it self as superior to the rest. 

Team Nightmare it sounds like to me! Foot in mouth

15th November 2008, 04:48am
#15
by joly
melb Australia
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 76
petershaby wrote:

I have stopped playing group vote chess as I had my suspicions about a very large team flooding their opponents team with rogue votes. Perhaps it was coincidence - perhaps not, but it is easy for a number from a large group to join a small group for the purpose of sabotaging their efforts.


does this really happen? isn't that somewhat insane? what kind of victory is it if u played (intentionally badly) for the other side? i find it exhausting enough just playing unintentionally badly for myself.

15th November 2008, 05:39am
#16
by Spiffe
Orlando, FL United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 1021

Yeesh.  I've never actually played a Team Game; have been meaning to ask about how that works.  From the outside looking in, clearly this Dream Team is a very polarizing entity in the space.

I'm guessing the notion is like Vote Chess, except that your "team" is made up from a group?  Sounds reasonable, but it also sounds equally reasonable -- scratch that, necessary -- to limit the participation size per game, or perhaps better the size of the team.  10 players vs. 20 players is no great shakes; 10 players vs. 700 is not going to be any fun.

15th November 2008, 06:23am
#17
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4254
Spiffe wrote:

Yeesh.  I've never actually played a Team Game; have been meaning to ask about how that works.  From the outside looking in, clearly this Dream Team is a very polarizing entity in the space.

I'm guessing the notion is like Vote Chess, except that your "team" is made up from a group?  Sounds reasonable, but it also sounds equally reasonable -- scratch that, necessary -- to limit the participation size per game, or perhaps better the size of the team.  10 players vs. 20 players is no great shakes; 10 players vs. 700 is not going to be any fun.


Team Chess is a means of N people (where N is practically any number) from one group playing N people from another group. Unlike in a tournament where you play everyone else individually, players in the two teams pair off: the highest ranked pair play each other, the next ranked pair play each other, and so on.

Assuming these two teams: Abe (1300), Alf (1400), Andy (1200), Amy (1250)

Brad (1400), Baz (1501), Becky (1630), Boris (1700), the pairings would be:

Alf (1400)

v.

Boris (1700)

Abe (1300)

v.

Becky (1630)

Amy (1250)

v.

Baz (1501)

Andy (1200)

v.

Brad (1400)

This discussion  http://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/first-come-first-served-team-chess  explored some aspects of Team Chess that lead to unequal contests - particularly between groups of different sizes or strengths.

15th November 2008, 07:12am
#18
by Qubit
Michigan United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 277

I am not a member of Dream team(and I don't even know what their agenda is, if any), but I think Rael's accusations smell of 'bitterness'. I don't know what is the cause of it ..but the word 'undemocratic' in itself is clearly idiotic. To think there is absolute 'democracy' is in itself naive. And in any case..if you put open seeks and Dream team accepts them , its just that they are the first to respond to them..how is that being 'undemocratic' ? (or even unethical?) If you are against the 'Dream Team' and want Canadian cabals or Australian jumping jacks..you should challenge that particular group(s). Or ask them to respond faster than the dream team.

15th November 2008, 07:37am
#19
by Evil_Homer
Dublin Ireland
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1750

The Nazi party springs to mind, democratic maybe, but ego driven and centrist!

15th November 2008, 07:45am
#20
by Goatnotsheep
Brampton Canada
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 299

Why not just send a msg to the dream team to let them know of your concerns?

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