Is a 3000 rating forthcoming?

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15th October 2009, 12:32pm
#1
by ClaypOT
Sacramento-ish, Cal-eee-forrr-niiii-aaa United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 4560

 ouachita, 2928

 tmrnambissan, 2928


Wow! The two top players are rated at 2928! That's simply amazing...

Just wondering if chess.com's first 3000 rating is soon forthcoming. (Is that even possible?)

15th October 2009, 12:39pm
#2
by check2008
Central Illinois United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 670

Perhaps! My vote is on Ouachita. By the way, how did you find out who the two top rated players are? 

On Ouachita's profile, it says he is #2 and Tmrnambissan is #3. Who is #1?

15th October 2009, 12:42pm
#3
by ClaypOT
Sacramento-ish, Cal-eee-forrr-niiii-aaa United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 4560

Go to this link, which is available by clicking "View Players" on your Chess Home page...

http://www.chess.com/echess/players.html

Regarding their profile ratings, my guess is Erik has established himself as the permanent #1 player... heheh

15th October 2009, 12:45pm
#4
by wbbaxterbones
Kennebunk United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 209

#1 was a player who was caught cheating and had a 3000+ rating. He had no game going at the time so he stayed #1 even after his account was closed.

15th October 2009, 12:46pm
#5
by ClaypOT
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wbbaxterbones wrote:

#1 was a player who was caught cheating and had a 3000+ rating. He had no game going at the time so he stayed #1 even after his account was closed.


Ahhh... So not only is a 3000+ rating possible, it's already been done here.

Sorry to hear it was accomplished via cheating... 

15th October 2009, 12:48pm
#6
by wbbaxterbones
Kennebunk United States
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but a 3000+ rating can be accomplished for the first time by a real player, so that still is interesting.

15th October 2009, 12:49pm
#7
by ClaypOT
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wbbaxterbones wrote:

but a 3000+ rating can be accomplished for the first time by a real player, so that still is interesting.


Indeed! I can't imagine I'd stand a chance to either player, let alone 99% of the players in the next several pages... LOL

15th October 2009, 12:51pm
#8
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4507

Ah, but 3000 has already been achieved, by the mystery #1 player you are trying to remember:

http://www.chess.com/echess/profile/Kamasutra

15th October 2009, 12:53pm
#9
by wbbaxterbones
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I knew who it was it was discussed in multiple forums. I was just saying #1 is a closed account.

15th October 2009, 12:54pm
#10
by ClaypOT
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Nytik wrote:

Ah, but 3000 has already been achieved, by the mystery #1 player you are trying to remember:

http://www.chess.com/echess/profile/Kamasutra


 LOL... Looking at Kamasutra's game archive, all but two of his opponents were also banned for cheating.

That's funny...

15th October 2009, 12:55pm
#11
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
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Member Points: 4507
wbbaxterbones wrote:

but a 3000+ rating can be accomplished for the first time by a real player, so that still is interesting.


It is perhaps naive to believe that either of the two players in the first post are "real players" in that sense of the word. But hey, this isn't the time or place.

15th October 2009, 12:55pm
#12
by defrancis7
Litchfield, MI United States
Member Since: Aug 2009
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When I was playing on Yahoo a couple of years ago, I believe that I once ran into a player that Yahoo had rated at 5,000.  I checked his stats and they said that he had played over 15,000 games and won every one!  Needless, to say, when I saw that, I realized that ratings do not tell the whole story of a player's strength.  If this guy's rating was true, wouldn't he be able to beat Carlsen, Anand, Quachita, etc., easily?

 

Dee

15th October 2009, 12:56pm
#13
by wbbaxterbones
Kennebunk United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 209

that guy had cheating down to a science, but he was kinda flounting it. It isn't a surprise he got caught. LOL

15th October 2009, 12:57pm
#14
by Diabeditor
Edmonton Canada
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 633

A takeback game against one of those top guys would be great. I'd still lose, of course, but it would be great for the learning experience.

15th October 2009, 12:58pm
#15
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4507
defrancis7 wrote:

If this guy's rating was true, wouldn't he be able to beat Carlsen, Anand, Quachita, etc., easily?


A common misconception is that these ratings can be compared to other systems. Carlsen and Anand's ratings are FIDE, but these are Chess.com ratings. Were these players to join the site (and put in the considerable amount of effort these guys do) they would have ratings higher than their over-the-board ratings also.

15th October 2009, 12:59pm
#16
by ClaypOT
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Nytik wrote:
wbbaxterbones wrote:

but a 3000+ rating can be accomplished for the first time by a real player, so that still is interesting.


It is perhaps naive to believe that either of the two players in the first post are "real players" in that sense of the word. But hey, this isn't the time or place.


Perhaps naive. And --  as you referred to -- we'll let Erik and Company determine the "reality" of the players.

My hope is they are genuine, and until determined otherwise by chess.com I will not infer otherwise...

15th October 2009, 01:01pm
#17
by ClaypOT
Sacramento-ish, Cal-eee-forrr-niiii-aaa United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 4560
Nytik wrote:
defrancis7 wrote:

If this guy's rating was true, wouldn't he be able to beat Carlsen, Anand, Quachita, etc., easily?


A common misconception is that these ratings can be compared to other systems. Carlsen and Anand's ratings are FIDE, but these are Chess.com ratings. Were these players to join the site (and put in the considerable amount of effort these guys do) they would have ratings higher than their over-the-board ratings also.


Agreed...

My chess.com rating is "bloated" compared to what I would accomplish in the real world. I typically play OTB here -- I belong to a group where that's all we play -- but I also have an enormous amount of time to consider moves... a luxury that is lacking in OTB tournies...

16th October 2009, 10:13am
#18
by Schachgeek
Western Hemisphere United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 802
defrancis7 wrote:

When I was playing on Yahoo a couple of years ago, I believe that I once ran into a player that Yahoo had rated at 5,000.  I checked his stats and they said that he had played over 15,000 games and won every one!  Needless, to say, when I saw that, I realized that ratings do not tell the whole story of a player's strength.  If this guy's rating was true, wouldn't he be able to beat Carlsen, Anand, Quachita, etc., easily?

 

Dee


Did those 15,000 games have date/time stamps? There are yahoo chess bots that will let you "play" thousands of games a day to jack up your rating. Because it's computer vs computer the games only take a minute or two.

16th October 2009, 10:39am
#19
by kunduk
kolkata India
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 857

but 3000 rating is only possible in online chess, not in OTB rating... is'nt it? kasparov has the highest OTB rating of 2851 till now..

16th October 2009, 10:55am
#20
by Diabeditor
Edmonton Canada
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 633

At Stan's NetChess, I think ratings are a little inflated. There are 3 guys with 3000+ ratings Smile

The top guy is 101-0-0, rated 3652

#2 is 140-0-4, rated 3268

#3 is 23-5-1, rated 3054

I'd be curious to see how the top chess.com players would fare against them.

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