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15th October 2009, 12:39pm
#1
by check2008
Central Illinois United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1495

Perhaps! My vote is on Ouachita. By the way, how did you find out who the two top rated players are? 

On Ouachita's profile, it says he is #2 and Tmrnambissan is #3. Who is #1?

15th October 2009, 12:45pm
#2
by wbbaxterbones
Kennebunk United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 466

#1 was a player who was caught cheating and had a 3000+ rating. He had no game going at the time so he stayed #1 even after his account was closed.

15th October 2009, 12:48pm
#3
by wbbaxterbones
Kennebunk United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 466

but a 3000+ rating can be accomplished for the first time by a real player, so that still is interesting.

15th October 2009, 12:51pm
#4
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5828

Ah, but 3000 has already been achieved, by the mystery #1 player you are trying to remember:

http://www.chess.com/echess/profile/Kamasutra

15th October 2009, 12:53pm
#5
by wbbaxterbones
Kennebunk United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 466

I knew who it was it was discussed in multiple forums. I was just saying #1 is a closed account.

15th October 2009, 12:55pm
#6
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5828
wbbaxterbones wrote:

but a 3000+ rating can be accomplished for the first time by a real player, so that still is interesting.


It is perhaps naive to believe that either of the two players in the first post are "real players" in that sense of the word. But hey, this isn't the time or place.

15th October 2009, 12:55pm
#7
by defrancis7
Litchfield, MI United States
Member Since: Aug 2009
Member Points: 62

When I was playing on Yahoo a couple of years ago, I believe that I once ran into a player that Yahoo had rated at 5,000.  I checked his stats and they said that he had played over 15,000 games and won every one!  Needless, to say, when I saw that, I realized that ratings do not tell the whole story of a player's strength.  If this guy's rating was true, wouldn't he be able to beat Carlsen, Anand, Quachita, etc., easily?

 

Dee

15th October 2009, 12:56pm
#8
by wbbaxterbones
Kennebunk United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 466

that guy had cheating down to a science, but he was kinda flounting it. It isn't a surprise he got caught. LOL

15th October 2009, 12:57pm
#9
by Diabeditor
Edmonton Canada
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 683

A takeback game against one of those top guys would be great. I'd still lose, of course, but it would be great for the learning experience.

15th October 2009, 12:58pm
#10
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5828
defrancis7 wrote:

If this guy's rating was true, wouldn't he be able to beat Carlsen, Anand, Quachita, etc., easily?


A common misconception is that these ratings can be compared to other systems. Carlsen and Anand's ratings are FIDE, but these are Chess.com ratings. Were these players to join the site (and put in the considerable amount of effort these guys do) they would have ratings higher than their over-the-board ratings also.

16th October 2009, 10:39am
#11
by kunduk
kolkata India
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 964

but 3000 rating is only possible in online chess, not in OTB rating... is'nt it? kasparov has the highest OTB rating of 2851 till now..

16th October 2009, 10:55am
#12
by Diabeditor
Edmonton Canada
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 683

At Stan's NetChess, I think ratings are a little inflated. There are 3 guys with 3000+ ratings Smile

The top guy is 101-0-0, rated 3652

#2 is 140-0-4, rated 3268

#3 is 23-5-1, rated 3054

I'd be curious to see how the top chess.com players would fare against them.

16th October 2009, 11:10am
#13
by gumpty
congleton England
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 7667

please remember that the ratings here only reflect your relative strength compared to the other players HERE. FIDE ratings compare those players relative strength etc. As we dont have many if any world class GM's playing here, the relative strength of our rating pool is much much much lower than the FIDE pool, and also of pools at ICC, Playchess etc, as the top end standard is much lower here. You simply cannot compare one pool with another in any way, as they are guides based on totally different pools of players.

16th October 2009, 11:29am
#14
by gramos9956
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 1886

Personally, I think there is a bit of ratings inflation here, and it can be achieved through methods that are not cheating.  I think some players try to protect their rating by playing games that they are pretty sure they will win.  It is not cheating, but it does tend to allow their rating to go higher than if they played more games where they are more evenly rated or even against a higher rated player.

Also, there tends to be more games won here by time running out of time than would be the case OTB.  So long as one is careful to not time out, and has games where the other player does time out (particularly games where they are losing on the board, perhaps against a substantially higher rated player), then it artificially (but legally) raises their rating higher than it would be if the game was won on the board.

Don't know that much can be done to correct for this ratings inflation, but that seems to be the way it is.

16th October 2009, 11:39am
#15
by LordJones3rd
Bristol Wales
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 691

i think ouachita will win

16th October 2009, 09:14pm
#16
by BigOto
Kirkland, WA United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 6439

I once played Chess_Network on Live chess. He is such a good bullet (1 minute) chess player and his rating is over 4000! (But I haven't checked in a while)

Yes, there are players with ratings over 4000, but they are in LIVE chess. Or at least, there were.

16th October 2009, 09:17pm
#17
by Diabeditor
Edmonton Canada
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 683

What;s the secret to 1-minute games anyway? I'm a 1600 player, give or take. I like to think I'm closer to 1800 if I played more, but I suppose everybody says that.

At 5-minute games I play my usual openings -- just faster. Is there a different approach to playing 1-minute games?

GM Nakamura kicks butt at 1-minute games at ICC. He plays wild stuff there, total "patzer" openings like 1. e4 e5 Qh5 and wins.

16th October 2009, 09:20pm
#18
by SerbianChessStar
Belgrade Serbia
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 4012

Lol,

I believe 3000 rating is NOT possible..

That guy only achieved 3000+ rating by beating him friend on purpose like 10 times..

Try achieving a rating of 3000+ without using help, and avoiding a draw (Ouachita has a draw against Mortzy i believe.. [2600 rated] and he is stalling time to hit a higher rating before he draws mortzy and drops down to 2760+)

So we know that one guy will have to climb the ladder again and lets see if he is gonna fall with a draw.

16th October 2009, 09:52pm
#19
by Eastendboy
Forks, Washington United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 538
SerbianChessStar wrote:

Try achieving a rating of 3000+ without using help, and avoiding a draw (Ouachita has a draw against Mortzy i believe.. [2600 rated] and he is stalling time to hit a higher rating before he draws mortzy and drops down to 2760+)


If he didn't want to draw the game he shouldn't have played the Caro-Kann.

16th October 2009, 10:01pm
#20
by Diabeditor
Edmonton Canada
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 683

Obviously I'm not in the same universe as Ouachita, but I always figured Caro-Kann is more of a fighting system than the French and other systems for Black.

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