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13th July 2009, 05:59pm
#1
by tornadofdoom
Northeast United States
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 298

Recently I just had a player challenge me out of the blue.

I was fairly shocked when I saw that his rating was 2057 and immediately thought 1) Why is this person challenging me?
2) I'm toast.

Upon clicking on his account, I saw that he was currently playing about 18 games, all against players with rating 1300 and under. Looking at his stats, his highest win was against a 1600 player, and inspecting his past games, he had lost to several 1300-1400s. He doesn't even know the main line of the sicilian (even to 3 moves!)


I feel it is safe to assume that he is exclusively playing low-rated players to boost his rating. What I ask is, is this legal (on Chess.com)? The result of the game still has to be determined.

Note: His username is not disclosed for obvious reasons and for the possibility that I am somehow mistaken.

13th July 2009, 06:06pm
#2
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
Gotham United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 8179

Completely legal

13th July 2009, 06:08pm
#3
by tornadofdoom
Northeast United States
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 298

Thanks.

13th July 2009, 06:22pm
#4
by Skwerly
Yucaipa, CA United States
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 1282

Maybe not so honorable, but yea, probably legal lol.

13th July 2009, 06:31pm
#5
by davidetal
Tarragindi Australia
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 1757

Found the game and looked at yr opponent's profile. Its a strange old world! He certainly doesnt appear to be a cheat or anything, just has a dubious set of values. Good luck! 

13th July 2009, 06:32pm
#6
by eddiewsox
Chicago United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 1665

As he plays more games and "solidifies" his rating he will only gain 1 point for a win against a 1400, and eventually 0 points!

13th July 2009, 06:35pm
#7
by ih8sens
Sudbury, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 3347

The best part is when some up and coming 1400 who just joined the site gets a game against some overrated patzer like that :P. ... Ahh, chess is just :P.

13th July 2009, 06:36pm
#8
by CPawn
United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 1193

Low self esteem issues

13th July 2009, 06:37pm
#9
by DanielleSurferGirl
Honolulu United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 208

You can play all the weakr players you want, if that soothes your ego, but you will not improve your game that way. Obviously he has a high rating which means absolutely nothing, so he's only fooling himself.

13th July 2009, 06:40pm
#10
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
Gotham United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 8179

Looking at this realistically you're probably right. But - it is an important skill, to be able to "win the games you're supposed to win". If you are always playing people at or above your rating level, you never get to work on this.

It's harder than you think -- look at it from the GM's level. They are supposed to win basically every game they play, against FMs and lower, and win a bunch against IMs as well. They're constantly paired down, and have to win. Playing in this manner does give value, and would be a good thing for some players to work on.

13th July 2009, 06:52pm
#11
by mosqutip
Hudson United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 364

It's legal, yet I find opponents like this to be cowards. Just destroy him in your game and ruin his 'boosted' self-esteem :)

13th July 2009, 06:55pm
#12
by ilikeflags
downton abbey England
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 11286

totally legal 

here kitty kitty.

13th July 2009, 07:01pm
#13
by SukerPuncher333
Canada
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 677

winning percentage = 99%     best win = -400 lower     average opposition = -1000 lower

he dropped 200 points just by that single loss to a 1300

13th July 2009, 07:02pm
#14
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
Gotham United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 8179
Gonnosuke wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Looking at this realistically you're probably right. But - it is an important skill, to be able to "win the games you're supposed to win". If you are always playing people at or above your rating level, you never get to work on this.

It's harder than you think -- look at it from the GM's level. They are supposed to win basically every game they play, against FMs and lower, and win a bunch against IMs as well. They're constantly paired down, and have to win. Playing in this manner does give value, and would be a good thing for some players to work on.


I agree with this but feel that there's really no benefit in playing 1200's.  If the "weaker" opponents aren't strong enough to effectively play for the draw then there's very little to be learned from such games. 

Avoiding the draw against skilled opponents is a skill unto itself and is definitely something that's worth practicing imho.


Since it's all relative, I would simply argue that if you are a 1600 player then it's valuable to know how to beat 1200's all the time. Same thing for 2200/1800 and 2600/2200.

That's what ratings are all about, after all. They're relative.

13th July 2009, 07:14pm
#15
by SukerPuncher333
Canada
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 677

By the way tornadofdoom, even his "best win" against the 1600 player was won on time. He was actually losing very badly.

13th July 2009, 08:11pm
#16
by Rob_Soul
United States
Member Since: Jul 2009
Member Points: 82
DanielleSurferGirl wrote:

You can play all the weakr players you want, if that soothes your ego, but you will not improve your game that way. Obviously he has a high rating which means absolutely nothing, so he's only fooling himself.


 Couldn't have said it better myself... So I won't even try.

14th July 2009, 04:40am
#17
by Kickaha
Lancashire United Kingdom
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 44

I was looking at open seeks the other day and came across a guy rated over 2000 who I thought might be worth playing. However, when I looked at the game setup I would have to play black and I'd have to play the black side of the Damiano Defence, which is a win for black in only 12.5% of games according to Game Explorer. He was playing quite a few games with this setup. Getting a high rating playing only lower-rated players is one thing, but doing it by handicapping your opponents really is beyond the pale.

14th July 2009, 04:51am
#18
by Remludar
Chattanooga, TN United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 115
Kickaha wrote:

I was looking at open seeks the other day and came across a guy rated over 2000 who I thought might be worth playing. However, when I looked at the game setup I would have to play black and I'd have to play the black side of the Damiano Defence, which is a win for black in only 12.5% of games according to Game Explorer. He was playing quite a few games with this setup. Getting a high rating playing only lower-rated players is one thing, but doing it by handicapping your opponents really is beyond the pale.


Good grief... he might as well just start his opponents down a piece.

14th July 2009, 04:55am
#19
by king_warrior
Krusevac Serbia
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 612

There is no honour in nowdays chess...

14th July 2009, 04:56am
#20
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5828

I'm curious as to why you think a 2000 chess.com rating means that this person should know the 'main line' of the Sicilian Defence, even to 3 moves? What do you consider the main line? Also, perhaps your opponent shall play by opening principle? Not in this case, but not all 2000 players are booked up.

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