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HydroTherapy1952

Loomis wrote, "It would be nice if the person on the receiving end of this abuse got a message regarding their opponent being warned ("In your game Loomis vs. Inconsiderate, your opponent received a warning for unsportsmanlike conduct"). Otherwise, we still feel like these jerks are getting away with it. "

I agree totally..how many strikes do you allow someone? Why not make the details (rules) clear and simple for violating FPR and post them?

sftac
ivandh wrote:

I agree, I should be able to use my time as I see fit, and not sit around waiting for some clown to time out.


 I suspect you're missing his point.  You're time is your time, but, his time is his time.

sftac

theoreticalboy
sftac wrote:
ivandh wrote:

I agree, I should be able to use my time as I see fit, and not sit around waiting for some clown to time out.


 I suspect you're missing his point.  You're time is your time, but, his time is his time.

sftac


And I suspect you're missing his joke...

sftac

Nah, I think he was being literal.

sftac

theoreticalboy
sftac wrote:

Nah, I think he was being literal.

sftac


Even if he was, you can be sure he got the point.  Cursory research on the output of ivandh would show that he doesn't often like to be serious, and is of course responsible for what is probably the greatest joke thread in chess.com history:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/people-being-rude

ivandh

Tb is a leading expert on my posting style so I am inclined to believe his analysis.

theoreticalboy

It's true, I have been analysing the elusive strands of the ivandh style for years.  I have confidentally placed him in a literary tradition that stretches from Kobo Abe through Joyce, Rabelais, and Pliny the Elder, and includes such influences as Tolstoy, Woolf, and Michael Jackson.

sftac
ivandh wrote:

Tb is a leading expert on my posting style so I am inclined to believe his analysis.


 I'm sorry if this makes me a ratist, but at your present 1497 rating I just find it hard to take you all that seriously on chess matters.  And perhaps that's your point.

sftac

ps.  I expect those who are hundreds of rating points stronger than me, to feel likewise about my utterings on these forums about chess matters.

theoreticalboy

1.  This topic hasn't got anything to do with chess playing; therefore, you're an idiot.

2.  The above-stated is something only an a-hole would utter; therefore, you're an a-hole.

heinzie

Hi stfac, I like this "ratism", can I use it in the future pretending I was the one to think up the joke?

ivandh

Again I find myself leaning towards theoreticalboy's assessment of the situation.

sftac
heinzie wrote:

Hi stfac, I like this "ratism", can I use it in the future pretending I was the one to think up the joke?


 You may do so.  (If I change my mind, you may be sued under patent pending infringement for trademarks rights of an expression, unless you're able to refer to a screenprint of my consent.)

sftac

MathBandit
IMDeviate wrote:
MarvsC wrote:

some of my opponents let their clocks run out, something like 12 minutes or so; in that case, I inform my opponent that i'm watching, in a separate browser, Just For Laughs videos in Youtube (which I actually do while waiting).  Laughing and getting entertained is my remedy for those who think they annoy me by making me wait for nothing.  JFL to the rescue! :)


Streaming video in another window leaves you open to allegations of lag cheating. I'm half serious.


That's not the case in my experience. I'm constantly streaming videos and/or downloading things, and I've never come across any acusations of lag cheating.

sftac

I suspect your first accusation might be your last, if it's the site that spots this.

sftac

ivandh

This discussion is in grave danger of becoming serious again.

MathBandit
IMDeviate wrote:
Reb wrote:

The players who are not jerks ( ever ) in play wont be worried about any fair play policy used. The only players overly concerned about any fair play policy used are telling on themselves.... 


That would be true if the fair play policy was applied...fairly. 

Many of the concerns I see expressed in this thread have nothing to do with fair play, only the implementation.


There's no way it cannot be applied fairly. If you are letting time run off your clock for any reason other than thinking to make your move, then you are clearly in violation of both the spirit and letter of any 'fair play' policy. If you are not letting time run off your clock for reasons other than thinking about your move, you will not be in violation of the spirit or letter of said policy.

oinquarki
theoreticalboy wrote:
sftac wrote:
ivandh wrote:

I agree, I should be able to use my time as I see fit, and not sit around waiting for some clown to time out.


 I suspect you're missing his point.  You're time is your time, but, his time is his time.

sftac


And I suspect you're missing his joke...


Well played, Ivan.

MathBandit

I think there's something that's being either omitted or misexplained in your account. The Fair Play policy is extremely explicit, and nothing you have said comes anywhere close to being in violation of it. So either you didn't get flagged for Unfair Play, or something happened differently than you are explaining, or something happened that you haven't explained.

erik

there is no question that everyone occassionally aborts, disconnects, or has an emergency that pulls them away from their computer while their time runs out. 

totally understood. 

but anyone who plays a high % of their games like that is problematic. it isn't about what you do, or the intent, it's about the frequency. 

MathBandit

 

"Chess.com encourages players to be kind and show good sportsmanship. Our Fair Play policy expects that players will not:

  • intentionally disconnect during games
  • stall to make opponents wait unnecessarily
  • frivolously abort games because they don't want to play black, etc."

I really don't understand how anyone could possibly think there's either any ambiguity about what's against the rules, or have a valid reason for breaking those rules. They're very explicitly stated and only bar things that are unarguably unsportsmanlike. Note for instance that there's nothing there about playing on when up/down an excessive amount of material.