please make "pending draw offer" easier to see

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13th January 2009, 05:43am
#1
by freezenyr
central region of New York state United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1668

although "pending draw offer" is clearly stated, it might be better for it to be in bold capital letters.  sometimes I wonder if my opponent sees the offer. 

13th January 2009, 05:46am
#2
by Rand00m
Norway
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 47

I think most of them see them, but ignore them.

13th January 2009, 05:48am
#3
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 767

you can ask in the message screen

13th January 2009, 05:51am
#4
by SirKnight56
United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 93

I often go through the last few moves so I don't have any problem seeing it.

13th January 2009, 05:53am
#5
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 3496

I usually preface my draw offer with a remark: "is this looking like a draw to you?"

13th January 2009, 06:06am
#6
by N9NE
United Kingdom
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 123

If I recall correctly, you can't see the draw offer until you actually click on the game.  Recently, I was playing a game, and my opponent was nearly out of time and only after I clicked on the game did I realise he had offered a draw.

 

Maybe there should be an alert if a draw is offered, just like an alert for a move or message.

13th January 2009, 06:07am
#7
by IPA-Ray
South Park, PA United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 404

I've missed them in the past. I just had an opponent ignore my draw request but repeat the position three times so that I could claim a draw which makes me think he missed my draw offer.

13th January 2009, 12:49pm
#8
by Cobalt_T
Connecticut United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 535

i think most ignore it...

13th January 2009, 01:02pm
#9
by jonnyjupiter
Northamptonshire England
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 744

I've missed draw offers a couple of times too. I felt like I was being rude when I got the e-mail alert a day later and had to apologise to my opponent and assure him I wasn't ignoring him.

Print 'em in red across the centre of the board. Or you can't move until you've either accepted or rejected the offer.

13th January 2009, 01:17pm
#10
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 3496
jonnyjupiter wrote:

I've missed draw offers a couple of times too. I felt like I was being rude when I got the e-mail alert a day later and had to apologise to my opponent and assure him I wasn't ignoring him.

I imagine this happens a lot - especially if one moves quickly - and your email is only updated every few minutes.


 

jonnyjupiter wrote:

Print 'em in red across the centre of the board. Or you can't move until you've either accepted or rejected the offer.


By moving, you implicitly reject the offer.
13th January 2009, 04:48pm
#11
by SensFan33
Ottawa Canada
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 433
artfizz wrote:
jonnyjupiter wrote:

I've missed draw offers a couple of times too. I felt like I was being rude when I got the e-mail alert a day later and had to apologise to my opponent and assure him I wasn't ignoring him.

I imagine this happens a lot - especially if one moves quickly - and your email is only updated every few minutes.


 

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Print 'em in red across the centre of the board. Or you can't move until you've either accepted or rejected the offer.


By moving, you implicitly reject the offer.

I think his point is that that's the problem.  The offer than be rejected without the person even knowing there WAS one in the first place.  By making you directly reject it, that won't be an issue, and shouldn't affect anything else.

13th January 2009, 05:34pm
#12
by drakesdman
Illinois United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 2415

Quick question

If a person makes a move and ignores it a few moves later can they still accept the draw?

I think that would be very rude if sao having a draw to fall back on.

I agree with jonnyjupiter you should have to click accept or decline before you do your next move.

14th January 2009, 12:54am
#13
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 3496
drakesdman wrote:

Quick question

If a person makes a move and ignores it a few moves later can they still accept the draw?

I think that would be very rude if sao having a draw to fall back on.

I agree with jonnyjupiter you should have to click accept or decline before you do your next move.


No. By moving, you reject the draw.

10.7

A proposal of a draw under the provisions of Article 10.6 may be made by a player only at the moment when he has just moved a piece. On then proposing a draw, he starts the clock of his opponent. The latter may accept the proposal, which is always to be taken as unconditional, or he may reject it either orally or by completing a move. A draw offer is valid until the opponent has accepted or rejected it. 

FIDE Laws of Chesshttp://www.chessvariants.com/fidelaws.html

What is Quite Interesting is that the draw offer is unconditional. You can offer a draw BEFORE you make your move. Then, even if, after making your move, you realise you have a winning combination, YOU CANNOT WITHDRAW YOUR OFFER OF A DRAW.

The mechanism surrounding offering draws has recently changed on chess.com - see http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/offering-a-draw-on-chesscom   It used to be the case that the offer of draw was not transmitted UNTIL you had made your move. So, if you want to give your opponent the maximum opportunity to see the draw offer: click on OFFER DRAW, then wait a while before making your move (and mention the draw offer in the chat box).

14th January 2009, 03:43pm
#14
by drakesdman
Illinois United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 2415

thank you

 

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