recently read kurt vonnegut's 'Mother Night' ..and my 'ego' dropped more points then my any loss  in chess..wow..life is not to be overcome but sustained ..  live chess at no more then 5 min. rating should not be far from correspondence 'online' rating ..otherwise i will suspect cheeting..any thougths on this?  

i have a major difference between the two and i swear i dont cheat.  ive been disconected many times on live chess and lost points and im useually playing poker simultaniously when i play live so my attention is split.  my online i pay attention to everything ican and try not to move without a plan, where as in live ill move because it looks good not because of any planning

and vonnegut rules

lol CC chess ratings are generally inflated 200-600 points from Live or OTB ratings.

Have fun suspecting 90% of chess.com of cheating though.

I think that most everybody has higher ratings with online chess. It probably just means that it is the tougher cookies that play live chess.

I don't know Vonnegut, but as to the rating difference, mine is about 500 points in favour of correspondence. Yes, I have experienced some disconnects, but that's not the reason. Rather you can say I totally suck at blitz, while I like to believe that I am rather good at analysing a given position deeply when provided with enough time.

Certainly I despise the option of using computer assistance.

And yes, online chess ratings do seem to be inflated.

right now my online is an outrageous 1725 and i truly do no think im anywhere that good of a player, but ive been beating 1800's and such so against THIS population i guess i am that "good" 

I'm sad to say that your live ratiing of 1400 is probably much more accurate :(

oh im sure kurpov, i dont have any delusions of great playing.  ive been a C class player for years now and im fine with that.  ive scalped a few 1600's USCF rated but mostly they stomp me.  im just tickled to death, i think i just topped 1740 online!

I need to know one thing ............... while trading online you dont get disconnected even for a tiny moment but playing live chess makes you lose points because of DISCONNECTION (reasons not known).......... why? Live chess Server seems to have some technical disturbance which needs to be resolved on priority basis.

So you find that your live and USCF ratings are very comparable?

In online chess one can use position board tool wich allows any weakling to thoughtfully compute variations twelve-fifteen moves ahead. Without this tool they are toasts.

I saw Vonnegut speak a few years back...quite charming even at that age.  If I remember correctly he has a chess story with using humans as pieces in Welcome to the Monkey House.  

    I think the never ending debate about CC rating versus anything else is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. My CC rating lies in the 1700's so I know if I play someone else with a similar rating it will probably be a rather even game. Sometimes I drift into the 1800's and I feel this is inflated. I've always wanted to play CC because I'm only interested in the problem of chess not the social life, history,etc. All a rating does is give you a comparison of skill under a set of conditions, nothing else.  

i find my live play and USCF strength are about equal...my OFFICIAL uscf rating was 910 but i havent played a tourny since '97 (my last tournament I tied 2nd-9th [7th on tie breaks] in the Wv scolastic championships, i only lost to the guy that placed first Mike Spencer USCF 1666), and i only participated in i think 10 all together with abyssmal results the first year i played...but anyway, when i left tournament chess i was beating 1300's no problem, 1400's were about even, 1500's id win one occasionally and 1600's stomped me often so im a solid C class player and my live rating here reflects that

Aye, from what I have observed the live ratings can be extremely accurate.

My rating is inching its way upward.

Cheeting? If I play fast does that make me a cheetah?

thanks for correction,  pushwood..'cheating'.. for my defence i did not cheat and run thru check-spelling program to up my spellllling rating in English..My native language is not English but there is no excuse for disconnect here... To continue this discussion I found a  of dostoevsky-kupov remark more accurate..by the the way..you can see all games played..and dis-connect or no disconnect you can see clearly how the person plays via live chess much better then online chess... Great players like Tal , being sick as he was later in his life won blitz wold championship in Canada..all, and I mean ALL players at master level are as good in speed games as they are in otb play...and the best 'correspodence' players are not even in the top 200  FIDE rating