Unrated games still count for too much

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28th September 2007, 09:29am
#1
by anaxagoras
Lafayette, IN United States
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 286

After I finish an unrated game with a very low rated opponent, it brings down my average opponent's rating.  What gives?  That's obviously silly.Tongue out

28th September 2007, 02:33pm
#2
by freezenyr
central region of New York state United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1668
no one's rating should be effected in an unrated game. 
28th September 2007, 02:52pm
#3
by Etienne
Montreal, Quebec Canada
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 780
I think unrated games shouldn't even count in the number of win/loss, but I don't know if it's possible.
28th September 2007, 02:54pm
#4
by AlecKeen
Chester, England Ireland
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 191

It only affects your average opponent's rating, not your actual rating. The average opponent is merely a guide to people looking up your previous record as to the general level of person you have played against. The total games played by you also includes your unrated games, so the average is like for like. In any event the average of opponents is a relatively meaningless statistic, as many highly rated players play rated and unrated games against weaker opponents who challenge them because they are polite people prepared to help others improve their game.

You can get too obsessed with statistics. Leave that to the baseball and cricket nuts.

Yelena Dembo is probably the strongest player on this site, and her average opponent rating is 1449, because she is prepared to play a range of weaker players who want to learn.

Perhaps it might be useful to show averages for rated games as well as for all games, though I fail to see the point, as your own rating takes the relative strengths of opponents in rated games into account. 


28th September 2007, 07:00pm
#5
by anaxagoras
Lafayette, IN United States
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 286
AlecKeen, you didn't tell me anything I didn't know already.  Did you even read what I said?Wink
28th September 2007, 07:08pm
#6
by chewybac5
Buffalo, NY United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 247
I agree it is a little silly, but your avg opponents rating is merely a guideline for perspective opponents, it doesnt actually have any bearing on your rating and therefore you shouldnt stress over it too tough Smile
29th September 2007, 09:32am
#7
by anaxagoras
Lafayette, IN United States
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 286
Can't you tell I'm in a panic?Surprised
29th September 2007, 09:55am
#8
by chewybac5
Buffalo, NY United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 247
Haha yes obviously you are! Its ok take a chill pill everything will be ok! Tongue out 
29th September 2007, 10:25am
#9
by tbirdtird
United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 116
I think anaxagoras is conserned about what some of you have said.  Being a nice person, he accepts an unrated game for a lower player to help them out.  His average opponent rating goes down and one could think he only playes lower rated players and that might "scare" some people away from playing him.  As far as win/loss I think the game should still count in that stat-ot at least make a seperate win/loss stat for unrated games.
29th September 2007, 10:35am
#10
by chewybac5
Buffalo, NY United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 247
Yeah I think a seperate unrated win/loss column would be good, maybe ill go suggest it under the wishlist thread
30th September 2007, 08:26pm
#11
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 10171
maybe unrated should not count in ANY of the "rated" stats...
30th September 2007, 08:37pm
#12
by anaxagoras
Lafayette, IN United States
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 286
Yeah, something like that is in order...  In case you couldn't tell,  I'm not stressing over it!  Cool
12th January 2009, 04:22pm
#13
by kid_of_chess
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5829

this thread was posted on my birthday :)

 

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