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That is the way de facto standards work.
Which doesn't make it any less lamentable.
For the record, I'm fairly perturbed by the similarity of the 'she shares information, so she shouldn't mind sharing information when she hasn't consented to doing so (and has actually complained)' argument to the various treads of the 'she was asking for it' defense...
(EDIT; which isn't to say it's morally equivalent, and my apologies if it's come across as such).
Thanks. I also found that argument scary and sad. artfizz's silly points that I share plenty of personal information on other sites and so have no right to not have my actual location disclosed is bizarre.
And I even had Rabat, Morocco listed on this site before Erik said that removing location entirely will keep you from showing up on the map. Doesn't mean I was in Rabat - not that it's any of your business what I wish to list.
been absent. what's the issue here?
The issue is that users can still see the ISP location of users, who don't want to reveal their location (even when they leave that section blank).
Actually I think a more important "issue" from the community side is that there are people in here who defend this privacy violation with all their heart.
Now they've merged facebook members. Nice. Are they also going to be shown on this interactive map?
we've setup a video camera outside the home of every one of the users and will broadcast 24/7 unless we receive a handwritten note that says "NO" within the next 45 seconds....
Wow and I didnt get time to straighten my hat before going live lol
I see my arguments were not addressesed (because they're winning arguments).
You all can argue that Meebo is not annoying, and disregard what I say.
Erik...while you don't seem to think it's a big deal that people have our real names and that some of us are in areas that make it very easy to access us if members are made aware that we are in their vicinity, it is a REAL concern. I'm feeling a bit silly for having renewed membership at this point when I thought it was an issue that had been addressed before I did so.
Perhaps you don't consider that culturally in some areas, guys make a habit of stalking or harassing females they can get some kind of phone or address access to. It's so annoying having to explain this.
can you message me a screenshot of you on the map so i can debug this?
i do take it seriously. i just don't know what is wrong since i can't see it.
As stated before, a pin on the map if someone wants to stalk you is the least of your bloody worries. For 4.95 I can obtain your pubic records tracking your life and family since you came on the grid paying phone and electric bills. I can get that from your name and your city of residence which is on your profile presently. Easy to obtain and with a pay card untraceable who got your information to remain anonymous and never had to look at a GeoMap. Good practice at anonymity on the net goes for all websites. Are you sure you weren't born in 1979? Not 1981?
So you annoyance at explaining is only outshined by your obtuse understanding of the greater picture and levity of your present security presence on this site.
Oh dear god...I'm tired of explaining at how the REVERSE method can be used...finding people by location and identifying who they are is a completely different condition than identifying someone and deciding to pursue them. Oh obtuse one.
Are you really this thick with a college degree? Identifying and locating has to happen in which to pursue them. One is the same as the other just without the bloody pursuit. So what do you suggest, a pin on a map will constitute stalking and not being able to find you by other means? Ya know, I digress.. it is about you being right. I bow to your goat knowledge and admit you are right and I am wrong. It is easier this way and to segway into other threads put forth today... "I Resign".. This is a losing position.... Narcissistic Princess... ILikeFlags hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head... I'm out...
Ok, that made a lot of sense. Thanks for the input.
you are silly
if i'm silly, you're just an idiot and complete waste of time. your comments in my threads are never of any value. you merely present yourself to announce your bizarre take of my personaity. You might have to be relegated to starting your own threads about me like another dim bulb.
I don't think it is relevant to discuss specific cases such as Afaf's; this is rather a matter of principle (and customers' rights), and it surprises me that so many do not seem to understand that.
However, if an individual case is so important for you all to latch on to, take mine. I give practically no information, here or on other websites, yet still appear on the map.
It’s reasonably clear WHAT is being asked for: to optionally hide whatever geographical information gets displayed on the map – so that it cannot be linked back to a specific member.
It’s also fairly clear WHY this change is wanted: some members have anxieties (mainly on behalf of other members) about the potential consequences of some unknown persons finding out approximately where they might be located.
There is a further suggestion that various national privacy rights may be being breached.
What is not so clear is: precisely WHAT gets displayed on the map under what circumstances?
And critically: WHY these anxieties are any different from other misgivings members may have about particular aspects of the website. (For instance, some members have asked for the following information to be hidden or to have access to it restricted: online status, profile, past games, viewing a live game in progress).
There is a degree of hysteria and petulance which obscures the key aspect of the discussion: is there a sound business case for considering such a change?
This shows the member map if I search for artfizz. (Unless the member is online, they don't get displayed on the map at all). The default low-resolution view puts me somewhere in the UK. However, by drilling down in the Google map, it locates me IN COMPLETELY THE WRONG PLACE at the intersection of two streets.
I don't think that the issue we discuss is comparable to the other "misgivings" that you mention, most of which are chess-related and working principles of this site that are very clear to a new member. The only exception is profile, but that is fully controlled by what the member writes, is it not?
Finally, a pragmatic point: what is the idea of putting "International" as the location if the map nevertheless shows it?
This is the crux of the debate: whether these 'member rights' actually exist or are purely imaginary.
The International setting can have various connotations - other than that the member wishes to stay off the map.
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