11/3/2009 - Two Knights Are Better Than One

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3rd November 2009, 01:41pm
#61
by bfrazor
calgary Canada
Member Since: Oct 2009
Member Points: 203

lots of forking around lately.

3rd November 2009, 02:41pm
#62
by Skwerly
Yucaipa, CA United States
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 527

Good stuff!  It represents the old maxim of getting as many pieces as you can around the enemy - it works!  :)

3rd November 2009, 02:47pm
#63
by lurch122
Livermore, CA United States
Member Since: Jul 2009
Member Points: 60

Dude!

3rd November 2009, 03:00pm
#64
by vagamundo
Melbourne Colombia
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1318

excellent trap!!! (could not work it out...)

3rd November 2009, 03:05pm
#65
by luqmaan
Cleveland, Ohio United States
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Member Points: 387

Hmm...

3rd November 2009, 03:20pm
#66
by ChessChump99207
Spokane United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 243

gotta love knights

3rd November 2009, 04:14pm
#67
by hijackyoublah123
champaign American Samoa
Member Since: Nov 2009
Member Points: 6

rather short. so hard but so simple.stange.i cant belive only 3 moves!Undecided

3rd November 2009, 04:19pm
#68
by JorgenB
allerod city Denmark
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 19
cgad wrote:

Den var god :-P


I like your danish humour, cgad!

3rd November 2009, 04:23pm
#69
by kaitlyn179
CA United States
Member Since: Aug 2009
Member Points: 139

yeah, nt good

3rd November 2009, 04:43pm
#70
by sorenwblake
Boston United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 30
Alduskkel wrote:

 

This is an alternate line.

...don't forget White get's back the pawn with Nxf5

3rd November 2009, 04:50pm
#71
by chessica
MD United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 524

oh gosh it was soo difficult !

( I dont read the title )

3rd November 2009, 05:12pm
#72
by THEWHITEFOX
I don't know Canada
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Member Points: 761

great!

3rd November 2009, 05:19pm
#73
by h777
Vancouver Canada
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 7945
minnrunner63 wrote:

Don't like it, Black should have played Qxd1,  only lose a bishop then.


 If black played Qxd1 white will play Nxe7+ and wins a piece! 3 points if white takes the rook in the puzzle next move black will take back and white only gains 2 points!

3rd November 2009, 05:19pm
#74
by h777
Vancouver Canada
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Member Points: 7945

nice one.

3rd November 2009, 06:37pm
#75
by RoffleMyWafflez
United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 9
cena_warrior wrote:

knights are dangerous.. but only in the opening.. like here.. but when you start to get to middlegame, they get useless..

 

this is definitely middlegame, not the openings.


3rd November 2009, 06:52pm
#76
by gagan_kaushik122333
Cupertino, California United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 121

Nice puzzle.

3rd November 2009, 08:35pm
#77
by Jeanjarrgh
Port Harcourt, Rivers State Nigeria
Member Since: Jul 2009
Member Points: 41

Alternate line is better if you're the type that doesn't underestimate knights. Nice one.

3rd November 2009, 08:58pm
#78
by dufferps
Pittsburgh PA United States
Member Since: Oct 2009
Member Points: 59

This creeping dementia that comes as I grow older really sucks.
Yesterday, I spent considerable comment time describing how a situation where black was not in check but had no legal moves was a draw.  Only today did I remember that the standard name for that is "stalemate."  Communication is so much more efficient when we can remember the terms

Regarding today's puzzle:

Whether we follow the puzzle line or one of the proposed alternate lines, black must lose (trade) his queen.
I prefer the alternate move 1 ... Qd7, forcing white to exchange queens at d7 and avoiding the second fork.  White will take black's king's bishop at e7, making the black squares fairly safe for his pieces, and should be able to keep his two-knight advantage.  I think the "puzzle" line allows white to take the rook at a8 (trade a knight for a rook!).

Still, I wonder what general STRATEGY white should use to gain a WIN: King-side pawn attack?  (black has an extra pawn there) Double rooks on a single file? Picking off pawns?  Probably it is all dependent on what black does.  First things first...I think white should get his knights back where they can work with the bishop and rooks to support pawn advances (especially opening h2 as a safe haven for the king.  Generally, for white even trades (like rook for rook or knight or bishop for black's bishop) will simplify and augment white's relative advantage.

And what can Black do to try to eak out a draw?  Pretty tough when down two pieces, but black does have one extra pawn at f4.  That may be a tool toward Black forcing a draw, but White would have to make some mistakes too.

I'd love to hear what other players think are best general approaches in a situation like this.

3rd November 2009, 09:07pm
#79
by vensanity
Manila Philippines
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 169

good puzzle...

3rd November 2009, 10:09pm
#80
by boardgamelover
Singapore Singapore
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 681

Of course!


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