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oops sorry ,,you are right it unstobppable mate ,,,Rd8 impossible since its a check now.....
this puzzle has a lot of flaws it is utter waste
I am beginning to wonder if some people actually understand the logic of chess, all these puzzles follow a logical process. The key to these puzzles is what you do on each move after black has moved not what black should have done but what white does in response. Only the first move usually is the only move and set up that way.
Good... That's it !
In reply to RowdyRoddy saying: The Present: Mate at e7 or d7 is unstoppable.
What if black's next move is Nd7 takes the white knight on f6. In which case white's next move may be to check on c6 thereby securing the black rook on a8. Should the back king move to e7, the white queen would presumably then check again on b7. However, there is no mate here. Nor is there a perpetual check because the black knight (that recently took the previously checking white knight on f6) can return to d7. The white queen can't make further progress without support from another piece, which naturally could happen, but is by no means certain.
Hence, the reason I doubt the validity of a definitive solution to this puzzle.
But what if white takes back the knight with the pawn, 6. gxf6, threatening immediate checkmate with 7. Qe7#?
1...Qc1????????? retard move but creates very nice variation indeed!
1...Qd8! but still loses.
That was my point (sort of :-).
But why not 1. ... Qd8 ?
1...Qd8 and black has lost a piece, right?
Black is already a Knight down. Once Queens were traded, White's rooks and Black's rooks are equivalently in back rows.
Anyway, thanks for replying.
Without extensive analysis (there are too many variations that I do not want to have to think of this late at night), I see two possible continuations - trading queens so that Black is even more of a disadvantage materially than the main line, or Qc5 to block the black queen in (Qb6 would be an option for Black, however). If I had to choose right away, I would go with trading queens. When the White rooks develop (Black wouldn't be able to get much done in this period), a strong attack would be underway.
See above. Black's condition *is* bad, but I am still not sure ... Qd8 would be a worse playing.
(You edited your analysis, right?) Thanks again.
Yes. 1...Qc1+ is just a failed attempt by black to regain/win material which would lead to a winning position.
1st pg for me as well
You got a point, except that I make my play thinking of which would be the best reply for Black.
RioBRChess, yes in a normal game, whites first move on these puzzles are set up so that in general it's the only move that can be made then, black moves what do you do then, if black makes a weak move you play accordingly.
Yes, I see that, Bryan. Well, I say that, but it took you to point it out to me. It's a shame, I guess, that the problem didn't go further by simply illustrating it. Thanks for doing so; it's finally clear to me.
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