# 3/10/2012 - White to Draw

• 21 months ago · Quote · #141

The solution given is not very convincing. The problem is, after 1.Bh3 white doesn't threaten anything. So 1...Bxh3 (or 1...Qxh3) is not forced for black. For example, why not 1...Bxe2 followed maybe by a check Bf3+ or BxN? Here's a nice continuation:

• 21 months ago · Quote · #142

Ah, now I see why B-h3 was necessary. Qxh2 would have been a mate. Here I was trying to look for something for the white queen to do.

Oops...

• 21 months ago · Quote · #143
melvinbluestone wrote:

The solution given is not very convincing. The problem is, after 1.Bh3 white doesn't threaten anything. So 1...Bxh3 (or 1...Qxh3) is not forced for black. For example, why not 1...Bxe2 followed maybe by a check Bf3+ or BxN? Here's a nice continuation:

White isn't threatening anything? First off, take a glance at his queenside pawns, that can be turned in a hurry.

3. Rxd1 isn't forced at all, and it leads to hanging of the rook.

For that matter, 4. Rxd6 isn't forced either, he would be an idiot to leave the bank rank available for that Queen check on e1.  You have to play the best move for both sides, are you kidding me?

White would never hang his rook with 3. Rxd1.  Start your continuation instead with 3. Qxf7, threatening the b7 pawn to finish off his passed pawns on the queenside and protecting his hung rook.

• 21 months ago · Quote · #144

Strange

• 21 months ago · Quote · #145

what?????

• 21 months ago · Quote · #146

Hummmmmmm.....Much food for though...Not much thought for good reason...No good reason for this much thought or should I say after-thought...Hummmmmmm!

Very tough puzzle!  What great mind came up with this one?

• 21 months ago · Quote · #147

Great puzzle. More of this difficulty please.

• 21 months ago · Quote · #148
D_Finikin wrote:

How is this a draw?ple,ple,ple,ple,ple

• 21 months ago · Quote · #149
domalius wrote:

Good puzzle, relatively difficult cicho!ty głąbie!

• 21 months ago · Quote · #150

what?

• 21 months ago · Quote · #151

I don't quite understand this puzzle, and according to the comments, I'm not the only one.

• 21 months ago · Quote · #152
ndskykng wrote:
edgy_rhinx wrote:

Why not 1. .. Qxh3 ?!

1.. Qxh3 means the queen will be put in danger after Rf2 and Bxh2.  The mating net isn't set up properly then.

mraustinp wrote:

Pretty sure this isn't a draw....Anyone care to work this out further?

Clearly White's first move has to avoid checkmate... Options being what?

bishop to h3
pawn to h3

Anything else? I think King to g1 will result in a win for black...Having looked that over closely but that is my first hunch.

What is black's next move if playing for a win?

Pawn to h3 loses to Bxh3, setting up pins and forks throughout

mart1 wrote:

how is this a draw withpawns on a4/a5

White has to deal with the black mating threats first before he can even address a4/a5.

Anyone who thinks this isn't a draw isn't seeing Black's threats properly.

What?  Slow down here. I didn't understand anything!

• 21 months ago · Quote · #153

Did not get this one..........

• 21 months ago · Quote · #154

It is really bad,Black win really easily,and if Rxh2,the Qe1# and if Kxh2,then Bd7+ and white queen is lost(and then Qg3+ in order to avoid Rh2!!!)

IT IS CLEAR THAT BLACK WINS!!!IF I WAS PLAYING NOW,I CAN WIN WITH A LOT OF MOVES WITH OUT PROBLEMS.

There are more moves that can win,but I showed you one really obvious!!!The score should be

0-1

• 21 months ago · Quote · #155
Rubick wrote:

Did not get this one..........

Takes away the ability to form the mate net with Bxh2, cause now Rf2 sets up a pretty bad pin, it wouldn't exist if you take with the bishop instead.

• 21 months ago · Quote · #156

This Puzzle is  not easy!

• 21 months ago · Quote · #157
komouro wrote:

It is really bad,Black win really easily,and if Rxh2,the Qe1# and if Kxh2,then Bd7+ and white queen is lost(and then Qg3+ in order to avoid Rh2!!!)

IT IS CLEAR THAT BLACK WINS!!!IF I WAS PLAYING NOW,I CAN WIN WITH A LOT OF MOVES WITH OUT PROBLEMS.

There are more moves that can win,but I showed you one really obvious!!!The score should be

0-1

You're an idiot.  White would never play either Rxh2 or Kxh2 BECAUSE black would win easily.  3. Rc3 is played for a specific reason.

• 21 months ago · Quote · #158
• 21 months ago · Quote · #159

@ndskykng
: "White isn't threatening anything? First off, take a glance at his queenside pawns, that can be turned in a hurry."  So after 1.Bh3 Bxe2, the threat is white's queenside pawns? So maybe white then plays 2.a6?? and hangs the rook on f1........ Come on! Show me a how white wins or even draws after 1...Bxe2!

• 21 months ago · Quote · #160
melvinbluestone wrote:

@ndskykng
: "White isn't threatening anything? First off, take a glance at his queenside pawns, that can be turned in a hurry."  So after 1.Bh3 Bxe2, the threat is white's queenside pawns? So maybe white then plays 2.a6?? and hangs the rook on f1........ Come on! Show me a how white wins or even draws after 1...Bxe2!

Where in the post did I say 2. a6?? Can you read?

I said 2. Rf2 Bxd1 BUT that 3. Rxd1 was NOT forced.  I thought chess players were smarter.

I suggested 3. Qxf7 start the assault on the queenside, bring a defender to the kingside attack AND prevent the f2 rook from being hung, which is what YOU wanted to do with 3. Rxd1

The position isn't as simple as you're making it, and the pawns are a real threat once the kingside is neutralized.  Your move.