# 3/10/2012 - White to Draw

• 4 years ago · Quote · #121

Easy Breezie. I would like to clarify this problem to everyone. ............

• 4 years ago · Quote · #122
Baffling !
You've only got to read the posts on this from beginning to end (and some of us do) to realise how utterly bemused & confused most people are.  I managed to get about 3 moves right by playing tactically but I didn't understand the objective.

So white has to force a draw.  First principles then (copied from the Learn/Basic Rules section of this site):-
1. The position reaches a stalemate where it is one player’s turn to move, but his king is NOT in check and yet he does not have another legal move
2. The players may simply agree to a draw and stop playing
3. There are not enough pieces on the board to force a checkmate (example: a king and a bishop vs. a king)
4. A player declares a draw if the same exact position is repeated three times (though not necessarily three times in a row)
5. Fifty consecutive moves have been played where neither player has moved a pawn or captured a piece.

So which of these applies when you get to the solution ? I just don't get it even after reading 'gutartas's analysis.
Is this Chess.com's revenge for all the whining that goes on in this forum ?
• 4 years ago · Quote · #123
stephen_33 wrote:
Baffling !
You've only got to read the posts on this from beginning to end (and some of us do) to realise how utterly bemused & confused most people are.  I managed to get about 3 moves right by playing tactically but I didn't understand the objective.

So white has to force a draw.  First principles then (copied from the Learn/Basic Rules section of this site):-
The position reaches a stalemate where it is one player’s turn to move, but his king is NOT in check and yet he does not have another legal move The players may simply agree to a draw and stop playing There are not enough pieces on the board to force a checkmate (example: a king and a bishop vs. a king) A player declares a draw if the same exact position is repeated three times (though not necessarily three times in a row) Fifty consecutive moves have been played where neither player has moved a pawn or captured a piece.

So which of these applies when you get to the solution ? I just don't get it even after reading 'gutartas's analysis.
Is this Chess.com's revenge for all the whining that goes on in this forum ?

4.

I thought you said you read all the posts from beginning to end.

• 4 years ago · Quote · #124
I think in this case, 'draw' means escaping a checkmate. Well, a pretty hard and unexpected puzzle it is!
• 4 years ago · Quote · #125

???

• 4 years ago · Quote · #126

I think I like solving for Mate better.. Im Not a draw type player

• 4 years ago · Quote · #127

Thanks for the lesson!  A draw is worth 1/2 point!  Better than no point at all.

• 4 years ago · Quote · #128

I didn't get it right, but I can see the draw.

• 4 years ago · Quote · #129
Wilderboard wrote:

didnt read the title...was trying to find a way to mate...damn...

LOL... I did.  It pays.

• 4 years ago · Quote · #130

bull shit.. what is the final .. who wins?

• 4 years ago · Quote · #131

White should win this position easily.

• 4 years ago · Quote · #132

Good puzzle, relatively difficult

• 4 years ago · Quote · #133

Tough one.

• 4 years ago · Quote · #134

HARD

• 4 years ago · Quote · #135

A very difficult puzzle, i´m missed in second move

• 4 years ago · Quote · #136

difficult

• 4 years ago · Quote · #137

wow:)

• 4 years ago · Quote · #138

The solution given is not very convincing. The problem is, after 1.Bh3 white doesn't threaten anything. So 1...Bxh3 (or 1...Qxh3) is not forced for black. For example, why not 1...Bxe2 followed maybe by a check Bf3+ or BxN? Here's a nice continuation:

• 4 years ago · Quote · #139

Ah, now I see why B-h3 was necessary. Qxh2 would have been a mate. Here I was trying to look for something for the white queen to do.

Oops...

• 4 years ago · Quote · #140
melvinbluestone wrote:

The solution given is not very convincing. The problem is, after 1.Bh3 white doesn't threaten anything. So 1...Bxh3 (or 1...Qxh3) is not forced for black. For example, why not 1...Bxe2 followed maybe by a check Bf3+ or BxN? Here's a nice continuation:

White isn't threatening anything? First off, take a glance at his queenside pawns, that can be turned in a hurry.