6/30/2009 - Pressure Cooker

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30th June 2009, 02:50am
#41
by Dekker
Limmen Netherlands
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2285

weird puzzle...

30th June 2009, 02:51am
#42
by MFak
Athens Greece
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 2

Isn't right

30th June 2009, 03:10am
#43
by vitali_10
Jerusalem Israel
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 414
winegrower wrote:

I dont see how black wins when white play Rc3 (idea: Rf3, e4) instead of Rc2. Better to play more seriously.


In the version of the puzzle 4.Rc3 will make the position more open as i show next, and with 4.Rc2 the possition will remain static with black threat on white. So probably better for white to play 4.Rc3, althought black will still win at the end as i'll explain here:

30th June 2009, 03:20am
#44
by ramstine
phillipines Philippines
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 1

this puzzle is not good to me..its kinda elementary, he should use the queen to take the knight.

30th June 2009, 03:29am
#45
by Rept1le
Kishinev Moldova
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 50

sure... QxNf2... it's simple....

30th June 2009, 03:34am
#46
by vitali_10
Jerusalem Israel
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 414
verlox1 wrote:

I have a lot of questions on this one. First of all, R c3 significantly prolongs white's loss, leaving a knight against a rook and 3 pawns. But even more optimistically, what about 3. ... Qf3 Kg1 4. Re3 Qf1 5. Qg3 Qg2  ?? I see no attack following this. (I see someone has already pointed this out.) Also, in the puzzle itself, what happens if white play Rh2 after the last black's move?


3...Qf3 will be followed by 4.Qf1, so it's not a good idia. Your moves seem weird. Please correct them or make a diagram. In the version of the puzzle it is better to move 5.Rg2 and not 5.Rh2, because:

30th June 2009, 03:41am
#47
by vitali_10
Jerusalem Israel
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 414

ramstine & Rept1le look at comment 40

30th June 2009, 03:41am
#48
by Theempiremaker
United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 710

good

30th June 2009, 04:07am
#49
by beest
maarssen Netherlands
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 11
vitali_10 wrote:
verlox1 wrote:

I have a lot of questions on this one. First of all, R c3 significantly prolongs white's loss, leaving a knight against a rook and 3 pawns. But even more optimistically, what about 3. ... Qf3 Kg1 4. Re3 Qf1 5. Qg3 Qg2  ?? I see no attack following this. (I see someone has already pointed this out.) Also, in the puzzle itself, what happens if white play Rh2 after the last black's move?


3...Qf3 will be followed by 4.Qf1, so it's not a good idia. Your moves seem weird. Please correct them or make a diagram. In the version of the puzzle it is better to move 5.Rg2 and not 5.Rh2, because:

 

 


Nope, after your 7. Rxh3 you're right, but after 7. Qxe3 white will win

30th June 2009, 04:17am
#50
by jastregalon
metro manila Philippines
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2
why not the knight....???hmmmm....
30th June 2009, 04:20am
#51
by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1825
verlox1 wrote:

I have a lot of questions on this one. First of all, R c3 significantly prolongs white's loss, leaving a knight against a rook and 3 pawns. But even more optimistically, what about 3. ... Qf3 Kg1 4. Re3 Qf1 5. Qg3 Qg2  ?? I see no attack following this. (I see someone has already pointed this out.) Also, in the puzzle itself, what happens if white play Rh2 after the last black's move?


 Re: 1...Nxf2 2.Qxf2 Rf6 3.Qe1 Qf3+ 4.Kg1 Rxe3 5.Qf1 Qxg3+ 6.Qg2

 I think 6...Qh4 (threatening Rg3) wins.

30th June 2009, 04:21am
#52
by GRThompson
United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 36

Wow!! I was actually able to get this one without a clue... maybe I am getting a clue?

30th June 2009, 04:23am
#53
by smifffy
ashford England
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 77

complete rubbish. an absolute waste of my time. queen takes knight then moves to saftey. please someone explain why this doesn`t work

30th June 2009, 04:25am
#54
by vitali_10
Jerusalem Israel
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 414
beest wrote:
vitali_10 wrote:
verlox1 wrote:

I have a lot of questions on this one. First of all, R c3 significantly prolongs white's loss, leaving a knight against a rook and 3 pawns. But even more optimistically, what about 3. ... Qf3 Kg1 4. Re3 Qf1 5. Qg3 Qg2  ?? I see no attack following this. (I see someone has already pointed this out.) Also, in the puzzle itself, what happens if white play Rh2 after the last black's move?


3...Qf3 will be followed by 4.Qf1, so it's not a good idia. Your moves seem weird. Please correct them or make a diagram. In the version of the puzzle it is better to move 5.Rg2 and not 5.Rh2, because:

 

 


Nope, after your 7. Rxh3 you're right, but after 7. Qxe3 white will win


No, it would be the same: if 7. Qxe3, 7...Rxe3, 8. Rxh3, Rxh3+.

Comment 55 was only answer to a question. Better look on comment 52 and try to answer why not 4.Rc3 ?

30th June 2009, 04:25am
#55
by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1825

Every puzzle has comments saying "this puzzle is rubbish, move x.YYY refutes this."

As I'm rather sure they computer check all the puzzles (like they do with the tactics trainer stuff), this is NEVER the case, all it says is that you're missing something.

30th June 2009, 04:27am
#56
by vitali_10
Jerusalem Israel
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 414

smifffy- look at comment 40.

30th June 2009, 04:29am
#57
by Rept1le
Kishinev Moldova
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 50

vitali_10  i don't have to look at  any commets, my rate is much higher than your or author of 40th comment. i'm too lazy to post simple variant - QxNf2 and white wins.

30th June 2009, 04:31am
#58
by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1825

To add a diagram to my earlier comment:

30th June 2009, 04:32am
#59
by vitali_10
Jerusalem Israel
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 414
Scarblac wrote:
verlox1 wrote:

I have a lot of questions on this one. First of all, R c3 significantly prolongs white's loss, leaving a knight against a rook and 3 pawns. But even more optimistically, what about 3. ... Qf3 Kg1 4. Re3 Qf1 5. Qg3 Qg2  ?? I see no attack following this. (I see someone has already pointed this out.) Also, in the puzzle itself, what happens if white play Rh2 after the last black's move?


 Re: 1...Nxf2 2.Qxf2 Rf6 3.Qe1 Qf3+ 4.Kg1 Rxe3 5.Qf1 Qxg3+ 6.Qg2

 I think 6...Qh4 (threatening Rg3) wins.


All this apears in comment 36 and in comment 40 there is explanation why it's wrong.

30th June 2009, 04:35am
#60
by DecentGuy999
Egypt
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 20

so what if the queen captured the knight instead????


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