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19th November 2009, 03:26pm
#1
by ehv_mc2
United States
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regarding the rule of "put your pawns on the same color as that of your opponent's bishop",

1. aren't you putting them at risk of being attacked by his bishop? you'll have to devote resources to constantly defend them.

2. the rule also says to put them in the opposite color to your own bishop. kind of the same question as 1. Then your bishop can't help defend the pawns..

3. which color do u put them on now if both have the same colored bishop? and why?

19th November 2009, 04:23pm
#2
by yeres30
Waipahu, Hawaii United States
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19th November 2009, 07:54pm
#3
by ehv_mc2
United States
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Thanks yeres!

well its a suggested endgame strategy for what its worth..

the supposed theory is that, your B is controlling squares of a color, so ur pawns should be controlling the opposite color. similarly the pawns are supposed to take away the squares controlled by the opponent's B.

u can think it in terms of mobility as well..

ur B vs Kt example was good too.

19th November 2009, 07:59pm
#4
by ehv_mc2
United States
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so am I correct in understanding you yeres, is that you are saying to put ur pawns on the opposite color to your bishop, regardless of what color bishop ur opponent has?

19th November 2009, 08:20pm
#5
by yeres30
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19th November 2009, 08:38pm
#6
by ehv_mc2
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yeres30 wrote:
ehv_mc2 wrote:

so am I correct in understanding you yeres, is that you are saying to put ur pawns on the opposite color to your bishop, regardless of what color bishop ur opponent has?

The general rule applies only to Bishops on the same color square. 


so whats the plan for when players have opposite colored Bs on the board??

it depends? no such simple rule? :)

19th November 2009, 08:54pm
#7
by HotFlow
KL, Malaysia Malaysia
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From my understanding.. it depends if your pawns are isolated or you can form chains for me.  Also if you can form chains will the base be locked in (if it is locked in it makes a target).  If the base won't be locked in and you can form a nice chain then there is merit for putting them on the colour of your opponents bishop to restrict the scope it has.

However if you both have opposing pawn chains locked together then it doesn't really matter as you will both have the same restrictions if you have opposite coloured bishops.

20th November 2009, 09:19am
#8
by StupidDrip95
NJ United States
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If it is a bishops of opposite color endgame, I like to put my pawns on the color opposite to that of his bishop. If both bishops are on the same color in the endgame, I still like to put my pawns on the opposite color of his bishop, as they can be protected by the king, and the bishop can keep away your opponents king. then you can march them foreward as usual.

20th November 2009, 09:29am
#9
by kunduk
kolkata India
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share some examples..

20th November 2009, 09:34am
#10
by Syntax_error
Nowhere Canada
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Each position has its own nuances.

20th November 2009, 09:47am
#11
by Ricardo_Morro
Bridgeport, CT United States
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In general, you want to have your bishop not blocked in by your own pawns or the opponent's pawns, and you want your opponent's blocked in either by his own pawns or by yours. How and whether this can be done is position-specific.

20th November 2009, 06:53pm
#12
by rainxdancer
United States
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20th November 2009, 07:57pm
#13
by asampedas
Shah Alam Malaysia
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White, because the king can creep into black's camp and cause havvock to the pawns.

That is not really about opposite-colored bishops though...it's about the placement of the pawns.

White's pawns force black's king to go by a long detour into white's camp. But black's pawns seem to accept white's king's presence.

21st November 2009, 01:20am
#14
by Ahhca
Chennai India
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 206

So for the endings given below,

1. Bishop vs Knight

2. Same color Bishops

3. Opposite color Bishops endings

is it almost always better (ofcourse, considering exceptions depending on the position) to put our pawns on the color squares opposite to our Bishop?

Can someone plz clarify.

ThanksSmile,

P.S: Can someone anwer this plzWink

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/evaluating-pawn-structures

 

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