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Can Black do better than Draw?


  • 8 months ago · Quote · #1

    yeres30

    This is from an actual OTB tournament game between a 1523 (White) and a 1393(Black).

    Black drew after 1...Kc6 2.Ka7 Kc7 3.Ka6 Kc6 4.Ka7 Kc6 5. Ka6 6.Kc6 and draw by three-fold of the same position.

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #3

    Scottrf

    Yeah, why on earth would white play 3. Ka6 when a6 puts black in zugzwang.

    I don't understand a 1500 player playing that at all.

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #4

    yeres30

    pfren wrote:

    No, he could not do better than draw, but of course he could play better than 1...Kc6, which loses easily after 2.Ka7 Kc7 3.a6 and game over.

    1...g5 is the only good move, after which white has only one good reply, 2.Kb6, when both sides promote and the game ends with perpetual check by Black.

    After 1...g5 2.Kb6 g4 3.a6 g3 4.a7 g2 5.a8=Q g1=Q+, 6.Kxb5 Black has to go for perpetual check

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #5

    PortlandPatzer

    The primary reason that Black wins in this position is the fact that he can reach the pawn impasse on the b4 and b5 squares first. This is commonly called a trebuchet position I thin and whoever can connect the king to the pawns wins the pawn here.

    Also as an FYI, Black has the win in hand 1 move earlier by simply play Qxa8+ after Qa1+ as the King will still have to take though other than that, Yeres has the correct solution here.

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #6

    PortlandPatzer

    These are best play for both sides.

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #7

    condude2

    The game is a draw -

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #8

    PortlandPatzer

    @condude2

    Could you do me a favor and run the position through an analysis engine and provide the evaluations to this? I am not sure that all of Whites plays in this line are best move refutations to achieve drawing position.

    TY

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #9

    yeres30

    Comment deleted. 

    Please COMMENT #12 of IM Pfren which refutes my analysis with 6.Kxb5.

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #10

    yeres30

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  • 8 months ago · Quote · #12

    yeres30

    pfren wrote

    Is the b5 pawn poisoned, or something? (6.Kxb5). White simply eats that little annoyance, and Black should feel glad having a perpetual.

    IM Pfren's 6.Kxb5 cooks the whole idea of even winning for Black.



  • 8 months ago · Quote · #13

    condude2

    @PortlandPatzer and Yeres

    Good point, my analysis is flawed.  Thanks for correcting me.


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