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Did I have more than a draw?


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #1

    Ray_Brooks

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #2

    Ray_Brooks

    I offered a draw against my highly rated opponent (current club champion), which was accepted after two minutes thought. I can't help thinking that I may have had more. Opinions please. 
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #3

    Fotoman

    White looks lost

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #4

    Ray_Brooks

    What if white plays 2 Rd4, with the intention of chasing the black bishop up and down the a5-c3 diagonal?
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #5

    Unbeliever

    I would have played on as Black.
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #6

    Fotoman

    I think you are correct, if black presses, he might lose. Draw out of fear, nice move Cool
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #7

    likesforests

    I think the position's drawn with best play, but it's not so simple.
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #8

    likesforests

    fotoman, in your variation 3.Bb3 is the move that causes White to lose.

     


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #9

    Am3692

    That game looks good for white to me, and I agree with likesforests, Bb3 was a bad move to play, Ra7 or 8 was stronger.
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #10

    Ray_Brooks

    Am3692 wrote: That game looks good for white to me

    It should be noted that black has the draw in the bag. The white bishop must stay on the d1-a4 diagonal, so black can chase the bishop endlessly with his rook (along the 8th rank). This tactic will lead to a draw either by agreement or repetition in a few moves.


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #11

    TonightOnly

    You definitely do have a draw. You can chase the white bishop until repetition. However, I don't see how you have more. 1...a4 loses to 2.Rd4 as you said. Where did you think you had the resources for a win?
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #12

    Ray_Brooks

    There are some complications:

    1 Bc2   a4    2 Rd4   a3  3 Rxb4 Rc1


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #13

    likesforests

    If White plays 2.Rd4, Black can force a win. The original position is drawn.

     

    1. Bc2 a4 2. Rd4 a3 3. Rxb4 Rc1 4. Bb3 Rb1 5. Rb5 a2 6. Rf5+ Ke7 7. Re5+ Kf6
    8. Re6+ Kg7 9. Bxa2 Rb2 10. Re2 Rxa2  -+.


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #14

    Ray_Brooks

    Yes, I've seen a few positions now K+R Vs K+3P and K+Q Vs K+R+3P, but all are tough finishes, not forced wins.

     

    At the time I was thankful to get away from the table, my opponent had outplayed me in the opening and middle-game, making a mistake at the first time control.


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #15

    Fotoman

    What about this? Pretty lines.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #16

    Fotoman

    in above line if 6Rxa2 then Rxc2, 7Ra1 then Rf1
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #17

    likesforests

    Fotoman, there's a flaw in that plan. What if, 6.Ra7+?

     

    Black's king is very confined. He can't step on the a2-g8 diagonal due to Bc3+, he can't step on the a1-h8 diagonal due to h7, he can't step on the c-file due to Rxa2. That really only leaves a small corridor... d6, d7, d8, e7, e8, and f8. So White's rook can get away with perpetual checks from a6, a7, and a8... draw.

     


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #18

    neneko

    tricky endgame situation, I love it!

    I wasn't sure about 2. Rd4 but 2. Ra7 looks even worse 

    White can prevent the rook trade by playing 6.Kh1 in the variation but it doesn't help much. 

     

     

     


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #19

    likesforests

    The Rook vs 3 Pawns finish in the 2.Rd4 line:

     


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #20

    neneko

    thanks likesforests I'm a lazy analyst

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