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7th May 2009, 10:24pm
#1
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 2586

White's position looks hopeless but there's still a chance to pick up the half point with an amazing swindle that has to be seen to be believed (and even then, you'll probably still have doubts).

Grey matter required; impervious to silicon without 6-man TB's.  See the Move List if you have any questions

7th May 2009, 10:32pm
#2
by kuldeep_03
lucknow, india India
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 106

very nice.

you were right. i couldn't solve it.

7th May 2009, 10:36pm
#3
by bondiggity
United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 1560

I would think that a chess engine that could draw from 6-men tablebases should be able to solve this, no?

 

Nevertheless fantastic problem, too much for me. 

7th May 2009, 10:37pm
#4
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2812
I didn't get it. I was close though. Endgame puzzles are the best. They're just really hard :S
7th May 2009, 10:40pm
#5
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 2586
bondiggity wrote:

I would think that a chess engine that could draw from 6-men tablebases should be able to solve this, no?

 

Nevertheless fantastic problem, too much for me. 


Probably.  I hadn't considered that option but I've edited the OP.

7th May 2009, 11:22pm
#6
by LisaV
Tenerife Canary Islands
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 859

The problem may be impervious to silicon, but your SoCal residence leads me to suspect that you may be far from impervious to silicone.  ;)

I didn't solve it, okay?

But the grey matter was good for the first three moves, and I enjoyed watching the computer complete the Madoff.  Christ, it'll be decades before I can pull off something like that.

Hmm.  I'm often the Poor Bastardette.  Perhaps I've encountered my kindred spirit.  :-P

7th May 2009, 11:27pm
#7
by einstein_69101
Nebraska United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 5387
AnthonyCG wrote:
I didn't get it. I was close though. Endgame puzzles are the best. They're just really hard :S

White would like to promote his pawn as well.  :)

7th May 2009, 11:28pm
#8
by HotFlow
KL, Malaysia Malaysia
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2264

Well I had an idea of it, I knew about the endgames with a bishop pawn on the 7th vs a lone queen, but with all the other pieces in play I wasn't to sure it would still apply.

8th May 2009, 09:02am
#9
by Politicalmusic
Alabama United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 2449

Didn't have to see it through the end but basic endgame techniques tell you that c/f pawns are the only pawns that have a chance to draw in a queen/king v. King endgame.  So c6, c7, should definitely be the plan...

 

Knowing me I probrably would have resigned lol.

8th May 2009, 02:34pm
#10
by turkey_12345act
A Secret Place United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 365

I solved it! :D If it matters, it was by method of trying each possible move for each piece on each move . . . ;D

8th May 2009, 02:48pm
#11
by Isra28
detroit United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 4
Gonnosuke wrote:

White's position looks hopeless but there's still a chance to pick up the half point with an amazing swindle that has to be seen to be believed (and even then, you'll probably still have doubts).

Grey matter required; impervious to silicon without 6-man TB's.  See the Move List if you have any questions.  Note: If you say you solved this, I won't believe you.  Just kidding.  This is definitely one of those annoying puzzles that seems very obvious after you've seen the solution.

 

 


8th May 2009, 02:49pm
#12
by Isra28
detroit United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 4

I passed it i just moved every possible move for each peice!

8th May 2009, 03:02pm
#13
by RainbowRising
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 3053

Solving it is getting it right first move.

8th May 2009, 03:02pm
#14
by ILLYRIA
Calif United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 258

I still can't make any progress on Donkey Kong.  It's infuriating.  And re: this endgame, does dropping the knight make the difference?  Because it looks much the same after to me as it did before.   (Gonna try Ms. Pacman now.)

8th May 2009, 03:08pm
#15
by RainbowRising
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 3053

Where did you get this puzzle from btw? I don't agree with blacks moves but Ill keep looking .

8th May 2009, 03:13pm
#16
by isaac_jay
quezon city Philippines
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 194

why the queen couldnt captured the knight on b2? i dont think its a draw?

8th May 2009, 03:22pm
#17
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 2586
RainbowRising wrote:

Where did you get this puzzle from btw? I don't agree with blacks moves but Ill keep looking .


I was googling information on a famous endgame study and stumbled across a german language chess blog with a number of really interesting puzzles/games.  Here's the link if you're interested:

http://glareanverlag.wordpress.com/category/der-brillante-schachzug/

8th May 2009, 03:27pm
#18
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 2586
isaac_jay wrote:

why the queen couldnt captured the knight on b2? i dont think its a draw?


See the Move List to see what happens if the knight is captured.  Once white advances the pawn to c7 and dominates the black knight by moving his bishop to e5, the game is effectively dead with good technique. 

If I was black, I'd be in a serious state of denial but eventually, after much flailing about, reality would sink in -- forward progress is impossible.

8th May 2009, 03:39pm
#19
by row7
croydon United Kingdom
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 8
isaac_jay wrote:

why the queen couldnt captured the knight on b2? i dont think its a draw?


 i agree.  how would white respond??!!! someone explain plz.

8th May 2009, 03:58pm
#20
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 2586
row7 wrote:
isaac_jay wrote: why the queen couldnt captured the knight on b2? i dont think its a draw?

 i agree.  how would white respond??!!! someone explain plz.



1. c6!! c1=Q 2.c7 Qxb2 3.Be5 Qb4 (3...Qxe5 4.Kb7 Qb5+ 5.Ka7 Qc6 6.Kb8 Qb6+ 7.Ka8 Qxc7) 4.Kd8 Qf8+ 5.Kd7 Qf5+ 6.Kd8 etc.  Dead draw.  If you can prove otherwise, you'll be famous.

You have to keep in mind that there are many different moves that black can make but they all lead to the same dead-end.  As I mentioned previously, once white gets the pawn to c7 and dominates the knight by moving the bishop to e5, the game is over.  There's nothing that black can do to dislodge the king out of the corner -- even if black captures the knight and eventually the bishop.  The corner square is white's salvation -- if black captures the c-pawn when the white king is in the corner, it's a stalemate which effectively makes the c-pawn untouchable.  First-class larceny.

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