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how does black win this endgame?


  • 19 months ago · Quote · #1

    jwhitesj

    It looks like black is slightly better here.  How should black continue and what would be some variations to a more clearly defined winning position.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #3

    PrawnEatsPrawn

    Looks like a draw to me. How does Black penetrate White's position? The white Knight is well posted and the fractured Queen-side pawns are not easily attacked.

     

    Anyway, I plugged the position into DR4 and it rates the postion as 0.46 in favour of Black at depth 30.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #4

    restinpeace

    I prefer Black here, slightly better because of the power of his Dark-square Bishop and much better pawn structure.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #5

    Frankdawg

    This looks like a draw, but black has a very small advantage. I bishop is better than a knight when pawns are on 2 sides of the board. However it looks like white can hold this position or possibly even win with accurate play.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #6

    WilsonYiuWahWong

    Black should use his king and invade the queen-side and munch up those pawns. It doesn't look like a fortress can be constructed there since those are doubled and isolated pawns. Black's pawns on the queen-side are on the same color as the bishop, hindering the bishops mobility and making the light squares extremely weak. You need to be very careful about how you move your pawns and plan accordingly to avoid cases like this. 

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #7

    orangehonda

    Heh, lets say white does Ke1-f1-e1-f1 for 20 moves just to illustrate ... white has all the chances (however small they might be), black has nothing to play for here.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #8

    hicetnunc

    I don't think Black has any advantage : his bishop is bad and white can cover his Q-side weakness with his Knight.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #9

    rdecredico

    orangehonda wrote:

    Heh, lets say white does Ke1-f1-e1-f1 for 20 moves just to illustrate ... white has all the chances (however small they might be), black has nothing to play for here.


    Disagree.  How do you stop the Black king from penetrating the queenside of White plays possum?

     

    Black can walk the King right up to the pawns, swap the B for the Kt if White moves it from its perch and then create a passer is White is not careful.

     

    Black is better, but not winning.  ...Kf8 is the first move here for Black.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #10

    orangehonda

    rdecredico wrote:
    orangehonda wrote:

    Heh, lets say white does Ke1-f1-e1-f1 for 20 moves just to illustrate ... white has all the chances (however small they might be), black has nothing to play for here.


    Disagree.  How do you stop the Black king from penetrating the queenside of White plays possum?

     

    Black can walk the King right up to the pawns, swap the B for the Kt if White moves it from its perch and then create a passer is White is not careful.

     

    Black is better, but not winning.  ...Kf8 is the first move here for Black.


    What are you talking about?

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #11

    rdecredico

    orangehonda wrote:
    rdecredico wrote:
    orangehonda wrote:

    Heh, lets say white does Ke1-f1-e1-f1 for 20 moves just to illustrate ... white has all the chances (however small they might be), black has nothing to play for here.


    Disagree.  How do you stop the Black king from penetrating the queenside of White plays possum?

     

    Black can walk the King right up to the pawns, swap the B for the Kt if White moves it from its perch and then create a passer is White is not careful.

     

    Black is better, but not winning.  ...Kf8 is the first move here for Black.


    What are you talking about?


    I'm talking about the diagrammed position and your ridiculous statements that White can simply shuttle the King back and forth.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #12

    orangehonda

    Not pretending these are the best move or anything -- but let me know where black can improve here.  The knight can go to e4 and stuff -- I mean, all white has to do here is not fall asleep.

     

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #13

    orangehonda

    rdecredico wrote:

    I'm talking about the diagrammed position and your ridiculous statements that White can simply shuttle the King back and forth.


    Like I said, that was just to illustrate -- obviously if you give black 20 moves in a row here he'll win lol

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #16

    jwhitesj

    It took white blundering his knight for me to win this position, I just wanted to see if there was a concrete plan that I could follow.  I did bring my king over to the queenside and start messing with stuff but krafty said moving my king over to the queen side lost my advantage,  I was just wondering what plan  I should have. Attacking the quenenside with the king only worked because white hung his knight.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #18

    chessgenius2014

    very good............akjsakjsklasdjals


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