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  • 17 months ago · Quote · #21

    mashanator

    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    mashanator wrote:
    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    mashanator wrote:

    Am I missing something or is 35. Ra3 not just a simple win?

     



    Is Ra3 Rc8 really a 'leisurely' win? It seems to at least last longer than the other lines you gave.

    This still seems rather simple to me. White can take his time and munch the Kingside pawns, the a-pawn, or just bring his King up to support the pawns. 1. Ra3 Rc8 2. Ra5 and of course again any king move to "win" the c5 pawn will just lose to d7 afterwards, and if 2...Rb8 intending ...Rb5, then I don't see why White can't just play 3. Kg1, because after 3...Rb5 4. Rxb5 axb5 5. Kf2 White's in the square. Am I missing something?

    2...Kd5 is not to 'win' the c5 pawn. It's just to stop c6. At that point, what is the plan for breakthrough? If wK to the e-file, the bR just shuffles from f8 to f7.

    (this line is a bit of a moot point because Rb7+ is apparently stronger, winning the g-pawn immediately.)

    Bringing the King up to munch the Kingside pawns seems winning enough to me.

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #22

    BigDoggProblem

    mashanator wrote:
    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    mashanator wrote:
    BigDoggProblem wrote:
    mashanator wrote:

    Am I missing something or is 35. Ra3 not just a simple win?

     



    Is Ra3 Rc8 really a 'leisurely' win? It seems to at least last longer than the other lines you gave.

    This still seems rather simple to me. White can take his time and munch the Kingside pawns, the a-pawn, or just bring his King up to support the pawns. 1. Ra3 Rc8 2. Ra5 and of course again any king move to "win" the c5 pawn will just lose to d7 afterwards, and if 2...Rb8 intending ...Rb5, then I don't see why White can't just play 3. Kg1, because after 3...Rb5 4. Rxb5 axb5 5. Kf2 White's in the square. Am I missing something?

    2...Kd5 is not to 'win' the c5 pawn. It's just to stop c6. At that point, what is the plan for breakthrough? If wK to the e-file, the bR just shuffles from f8 to f7.

    (this line is a bit of a moot point because Rb7+ is apparently stronger, winning the g-pawn immediately.)

    Bringing the King up to munch the Kingside pawns seems winning enough to me.

    You can't munch them if black's R remains on the 7th. But the comp points out that you can get the K into g8 with an eventual win, and it also hates my Ra3 Rc8? move, and this line remains a moot point, so I'll just concede that Rc8? loses.

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #23

    humans1981

    Thx for your lines, the reason why I traded queens off the move before was i was thinking it is a winning position for me.

    There should be no change in the result for me, if I play this game at 5 minutes or OTB with 2hours. I just simple have no plan what to do in this position.

    So it seems it is not that easy position, with a typical pattern as I thought.

    In the game I looked a few moves into Re3 lines to cut off the other King, but i was afraid of the a-pawn.

    I thought Rb7+ is the mistake as I posted this game and thought Rb6 could be stronger?!?

    So again thx for your analysis and lines.


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