a lot o people must now this checkmate-me too!

in this checkmate [called "LE MATE ETOUFFE"]the king is being checkmated by his own pieces!in my opinion this checkmate is one of the most incredible!!

there are 4 ways to do this checkmate:

 [sorry i can't use the diagram-if some1  can plz post it :) ]

1st:white:g2,Nh2,Bg1,Kh1   -black:Ng3

 2nd:white:a2,b2,Qb1,Ka1   -black:Ra4,Nb3

3rd:black:a6,b6,Nb7,Ra8,Ka7     -white:Nc6

4th:black:g7,h7,Rg8,Kh8            -white:Nf7

 

i found only 2 checkmates of this style[im sure that there are much more than these but i can not find them :S  sozzzzzz ] 

the 1st puzzle is not loutsena's -my mistake..i'm sorry

good luck & have fun!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice check mates!

This is called a smothered mate and is only common in low rated games

very fun to achieve in a game

Nice,black has lost both games because there opponetts great strajety

On the first puzzle why wouldn't black play Ne5 destroying both mates????

cause he loses his knight!

he played Nc5 because if Nxc5 black has Qa5+  and takes back his knight!!

Alander97 wrote: On the first puzzle why wouldn't black play Ne5 destroying both mates????

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 I agree just because he loses the knight that doesn't mean he loses the game.why let white checkmate you when you can keep the game going longer?

Black's moves 5, 6, and 7 were weak. This mate, however has happened in games before. Paul Keres-E. Artamowski, Szczawno Zdroj 1950 went 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne4 Nd7 5.Qe2 Ngf6 6.Nd6#. 5...Ndf6 would have been different. Notice that if Black has played e6, there is no mate.

why not e6 in the first game for black to stop checkmate?

i think that this move is the best for black too![e5]

It's a tricky checkmate famous in some oppenings, but happens only to very fortunate players, when the opponent plays clumsily.

ACCEPT!

Why is this in endgame study?  It has nothing to do with the endgame!

Its also known as Philidor's mate, although the actual mate does not occur at very high level chess very much, the idea is still there, just lurking in the backround. In the match of the century between Byrne and Fischer when Fischer sacrificed his queen if Bryne had declined by taking the bishop he would have been mated like this. So its a very important mating idea to know so you can use it as a tactical motif(eg. If I do this, then they can't do this because of the smothered mate).

Alander97 wrote: On the first puzzle why wouldn't black play Ne5 destroying both mates????

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 The threat of mate is with a N check at d6 (8.Nd6#).

So, isn't 7...Qc7 a logical reply as it defends the square d6 while giving the K room to move? 7...Qc7 stops the threat of mate and allows Black to continue development (8...Bg7 and 9...0-0)

However, I am puzzled why this thread is posted in a category exclusively  reserved for endgames.   

Matalino wrote: Alander97 wrote: On the first puzzle why wouldn't black play Ne5 destroying both mates????

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 The threat of mate is with a N check at d6 (8.Nd6#).

So, isn't 7...Qc7 a logical reply as it defends the square d6 while giving the K room to move? 7...Qc7 stops the threat of mate and allows Black to continue development (8...Bg7 and 9...0-0)

However, I am puzzled why this thread is posted in a category exclusively  reserved for endgames.   

The queen stops both mates.Ne5 stops both.However,I agree,e6 or e5 would be the best moves.

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If e5,