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Rook vs three minors with no pawns?


  • 21 months ago · Quote · #1

    checkmateibeatu

    Is this generally a win or a draw?  What drawing or winning techniques are there?

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #2

    frrixz

    I think it's a draw. Technique: don't blunder.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #3

    checkmateibeatu

    I mean a win for the three minors or not, in case you thought a win for the rook.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #4

    frrixz

    It is quite obvious the rook will not win (unless there are a lot of blunders).

    BTW when I said it's a draw, that is a very rough guess. I think if the three minors can force a win, it could easily take dozens of moves. The 50-move rule would be of utmost importance.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #5

    ChenYakumo

    Endgame tablebases seem to say that surprisingly, two bishops and a knight can usually win against a rook, but two knights and a bishop usually only draw. This makes some sort of sense: if the rook is swapped off for a bishop, we want to be left with B+N which wins and not N+N which only draws.

    As for techinque, I have no idea- scrolling through a random tablebase win, it looks like White plays for a standard two-bishop checkmate, while mainly using the knight to block checks from the rook. I wouldn't bet money on being able to win this endgame over the board, though.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #6

    frrixz

    ChenYakumo wrote:

    Endgame tablebases seem to say that surprisingly, two bishops and a knight can usually win against a rook, but two knights and a bishop usually only draw. This makes some sort of sense: if the rook is swapped off for a bishop, we want to be left with B+N which wins and not N+N which only draws.

    As for techinque, I have no idea- scrolling through a random tablebase win, it looks like White plays for a standard two-bishop checkmate, while mainly using the knight to block checks from the rook. I wouldn't bet money on being able to win this endgame over the board, though.


    Wow; I was using the analysis board to see what I think, but I was doing it with two knights and a bishop. I reverse my previous guess.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #7

    WindowsEnthusiast

    Two knights and a bishop almost always draw, but two bishops and a knight can win, since there the rook cannot simply sacrifice itself for a bishop.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #8

    AndyClifton

    This endgame actually occurred in one of the Karpov-Kasparov games (from a tournament).

  • 16 months ago · Quote · #9

    Justified08

    AndyClifton wrote:

    This endgame actually occurred in one of the Karpov-Kasparov games (from a tournament).


    what was position?

  • 16 months ago · Quote · #10

    AmaurosisScacchisti

    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1067317

    the aforementioned karpov-kasparov game. 2 knights+1 bishop vs rook


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