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5th January 2009, 03:43pm
#1
by phmilet
Rio de Janeiro Brazil
Member Since: Oct 2008
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So I was looking at a beginning chess engine that basically picks moves at random and thought: Is there a nontrivial position that this guy would actually win? In other words, where it would be forced to win?

So I came up with this weird set up. Assuming that the computer will always promote to queen, this is a "forced win"! Literally.

Now I wanna get rid of this "always promote to queen" thing without making it dummer than it already is. Any ideas?

Cheers

5th January 2009, 04:03pm
#2
by PawnInTheGame
Warsaw Poland
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 376

It's not a forced win.

White can play 3.Rh7... 4.Rh8... 5.Rh7... and so on letting black to win the game.

5th January 2009, 04:10pm
#3
by phmilet
Rio de Janeiro Brazil
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 423

True. Missed it.

5th January 2009, 04:21pm
#4
by bondiggity
United States
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5th January 2009, 04:43pm
#5
by DIonized
Akron, OH United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
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PawnInTheGame wrote:

It's not a forced win.

White can play 3.Rh7... 4.Rh8... 5.Rh7... and so on letting black to win the game.


Black takes the rook with the bishop, forcing the g-pawn to promote.

5th January 2009, 04:58pm
#6
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
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4. bxa3 is an option

5th January 2009, 05:06pm
#7
by camembert
England
Member Since: Feb 2008
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You might get some fun from the examples of this sort of thing Tim Krabbé gives in his chess diary: see number 267 here.

5th January 2009, 05:07pm
#8
by PawnInTheGame
Warsaw Poland
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 376
DIonized wrote:
PawnInTheGame wrote:

It's not a forced win.

White can play 3.Rh7... 4.Rh8... 5.Rh7... and so on letting black to win the game.


Black takes the rook with the bishop, forcing the g-pawn to promote.


 "forced (to) win" means without any eventual help from black. If "forced win" meant "white wins if black does everything in his power to lose" then every game would be "forced (to) win".

 

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