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23rd November 2009, 10:37pm
#1
by Eebster
Cleveland United States
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I'm fond of this particular position:

 

Either side to move is stalemate. It also allows for interesting positions like:

This is one I came up with. White to move is mate in one, black to move is mate in two. But what makes this unique is that all moves are forced for both sides--that is, white to move is mate in one whether white likes it or not, and vice-versa for black to move. My question is: is such a position possible where it is mate in one for both?

23rd November 2009, 11:00pm
#2
by NM OmarCayenne
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24th November 2009, 01:36pm
#3
by Eebster
Cleveland United States
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Yeah, I guess it's "possible" in the sense that the position can be set up, but not legal. Still interesting.

24th November 2009, 01:55pm
#4
by ASpieboy
ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Canada
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24th November 2009, 01:57pm
#5
by kingsmate618
Oakland, C.A. United States
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white can promote to a bishop or knight

24th November 2009, 02:10pm
#6
by SirDavid
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Doesn't work, a SpieBoy. d8(N) or d8(B). My best is this position. I don't see anything blatantly illegal about it.

24th November 2009, 02:13pm
#7
by NM OmarCayenne
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1 Qxc5 (that's close though, Sir).

24th November 2009, 02:21pm
#8
by SirDavid
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24th November 2009, 02:22pm
#9
by SirDavid
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Oh, whoops

24th November 2009, 02:30pm
#10
by SirDavid
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Missed a much simpler solution. EDIT: Wait no...

24th November 2009, 03:17pm
#11
by Eebster
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Well that position is indeed simpler than tonydal's, but just as illegal. But a simple tweak makes it look good.

Let's see:

24th November 2009, 04:19pm
#12
by SirDavid
United States
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Ah, good idea, giving Black a legal last move.

24th November 2009, 06:57pm
#13
by grantchamp
Wisconsin United States
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On the computer workout I always come up with this stalemate

24th November 2009, 06:59pm
#14
by Eebster
Cleveland United States
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grantchamp, that position is not a stalemate. If it were black to move, then it would be stalemate. As it is, white has a forced mate.

25th November 2009, 12:49pm
#15
by LordJones3rd
Bristol Wales
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this is a wicked forum.

what is the fastest stalemate??

25th November 2009, 01:02pm
#16
by Eebster
Cleveland United States
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LordJones3rd wrote:

this is a wicked forum.

what is the fastest stalemate??


The fastest I have seen is ten moves. I don't know if it's possible to have one faster.

26th November 2009, 11:54am
#17
by LordJones3rd
Bristol Wales
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how do you do one in ten moves??

26th November 2009, 12:05pm
#18
by nimzovich
United States
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LordJones3rd wrote:

how do you do one in ten moves??


Sam Loyd:

and Frederick Rhine

26th November 2009, 12:07pm
#19
by nimzovich
United States
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And with all the pieces:

(Loyd again)

26th November 2009, 12:11pm
#20
by nimzovich
United States
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And the fastest double stalemate (getting closer to the creative theme first started in this posting) -

By Minerva:

 

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