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Touch-Move Rule Misuse

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6th April 2009, 04:22pm
#1
by Grakovsky
United States
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6th April 2009, 04:25pm
#2
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
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Is it a rule that if you touch a piece that can't move you have to move your king? I was not aware of this.

And so, deeper into this rule, what happens if your king is also stuck on it's current square?

6th April 2009, 04:32pm
#3
by MM78
Ireland
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 4517

Nytik, that is not the case. If you cannot make a legal move with your own piece after you have touched it you can make any legal move.  If you have touched one of your opponent's pieces you have to capture it if you can legally (could be bad if you intended to capture a defended pawn with your own pawn illegally and then had to take it with your Queen).

The old rule I have read was that if you had no legal move with the touched piecve you had to move your king, but ancient as I am it was before my time...

FIDE rules

7.3

If none of the touched pieces has a legal move (or if none of the opponent's pieces which were touched can be captured legally), the player is free to make any legal move.

6th April 2009, 04:33pm
#4
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1648

hmm this is a bit misleading.  If you touch a piece and there is no legal move for that piece, you are free to make any legal move.  If you notice that an illegal move has been made, then you must reinstate the position before the illegal move.  Also, "J'adoube" means I adjust, and is what you say so you can adjust your pieces without being forced to move them.  It is not 'the touch move rule'. 

21st January 2010, 03:14pm
#5
by BDV
Colorado United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 46

Just wanted to confirm something on this topic:  If my opponent's piece, but not his hand, touches my piece he must capture that piece if it is legal to do so.  Right?  For example, he can not start to take my Knight with his Bishop, then after his Bishop touches my knight realize that the capture would cause him to lose, only to then move his same Bishop to a safe square.  Right?

Haven't seen this exact scenario in my Google searches, and it has come up in a recent scholastic tournament game with my daughter.  She called him on it, but he disagreed with her about the nature of touch rule.  I told her later that she should've raised her hand to talk to a TD... 

Much appreciated!

-Tim

21st January 2010, 03:35pm
#6
by chaosdreamer
North Carolina United States
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BDV wrote:

J  For example, he can not start to take my Knight with his Bishop, then after his Bishop touches my knight realize that the capture would cause him to lose, only to then move his same Bishop to a safe square.  Right?

-Tim


 If he touched it with his hand he would been forced to take the Knight but if only his piece touched it (which sounds like what happen) then he could continue to move to any legal square with the bishop

28th January 2010, 05:23pm
#7
by BDV
Colorado United States
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Member Points: 46
chaosdreamer wrote:
BDV wrote:

J  For example, he can not start to take my Knight with his Bishop, then after his Bishop touches my knight realize that the capture would cause him to lose, only to then move his same Bishop to a safe square.  Right?

-Tim


 If he touched it with his hand he would been forced to take the Knight but if only his piece touched it (which sounds like what happen) then he could continue to move to any legal square with the bishop


Though I need to get my own copy of USCF's Rulebook V and find out for myself, after speaking with a prominent TD I believe you are mistaken.  'Purposeful displacement' (if I'm remembering the phrase), with or without the hand, results in a requirement to capture the piece. 

28th January 2010, 05:44pm
#8
by rubygabbi
Malawi
Member Since: Jan 2010
Member Points: 360

My wife also employs the touch move rule.

She says, "If you touch me, you have to move me!"Laughing

30th March 2011, 12:44am
#9
by PatrickGoguen
Moncton, New Brunswick Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 15

Outside of the rules for a second, what language is j'adoube.

I'm french and always said J'adouble. And pronouce the l unlike english.

Any ideas on the language of this action?

30th March 2011, 01:03am
#10
by anyoneforchess
Delhi India
Member Since: Oct 2009
Member Points: 172

Maybe just a typo

30th March 2011, 01:08am
#11
by PatrickGoguen
Moncton, New Brunswick Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 15

Someone must know the origin language, beside the typo.. if there is one.

30th March 2011, 01:21am
#12
by Florisz
Voorschoten Netherlands
Member Since: May 2010
Member Points: 118

It's definitely 'J'adoube' and it's french.

And in the first postbin this topic Grakovsky is mixing things up. There is touch-move rule, but it's not called 'j'adoube'... That's simply the expression for asking your opponent permission to adjust a misplaced piece on the board. After saying 'j'adoube' you're not obliged to move with the piece you adjusted.

30th March 2011, 02:14am
#13
by PatrickGoguen
Moncton, New Brunswick Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 15

Can you offer a rated game on chess.com with touch move?

30th March 2011, 02:20am
#14
by PatrickGoguen
Moncton, New Brunswick Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 15

"with or without the hand, results in a requirement to capture the piece.''

Technically you have to take an opponent's piece if you touch it.

30th March 2011, 02:20am
#15
by Godspawn
Sacramento, Ca. United States
Member Since: Apr 2010
Member Points: 1643

The OP is confusing Touch Move and Adjust.  Touch move is self explanatory, Adjust is what you call if you just want to adjust a piece.

 

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