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16th November 2007, 08:17am
#1
by JFercan
Toronto - Canada Colombia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 360

I want to know if I should have done something differently that would have enable me to win this game from this position.  I really thought I had it, but then I run out of ideas.


16th November 2007, 08:54am
#2
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153

How about 6. ... Ne5. It gets the knight out of harm's way, prevents perpetual check by the queen, prevents the rook from coming to d2, and gets the knight closer to the attack on the king.

 

6. ... Qd2 is another idea. But I think white still has a perpetual check 7. Qh5+ Kg7 8. Qg4+ Kh6 9. Qh4+


16th November 2007, 09:03am
#3
by ChessDweeb
Sudburry Canada
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 638
I like 5.Qc5+. It forces the King into the center. I think White has good chances after that.
16th November 2007, 09:31am
#4
by JFercan
Toronto - Canada Colombia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 360
Yes, but I'm playing black and I want to win???
16th November 2007, 09:37am
#5
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153

I think ChessDweeb intended 4. ... Qc5+ to keep the king from going to g1. Black is trying to win there!

 

And black is trying to win in the first suggestion I gave. The second suggestion white still draws, but I thought it was worth mentioning anyway. 


16th November 2007, 09:37am
#6
by ChessDweeb
Sudburry Canada
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 638
after 4 kxf2 I meant 4...Qc5+.
16th November 2007, 09:50am
#7
by Whotanobb
Banja Luka, RS Bosnia-Herzegovina
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 15
Rf1+,Rxf1,Qxf1#
16th November 2007, 09:55am
#8
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153
Whotanobb wrote: Rf1+,Rxf1,Qxf1#

 I don't think this is ever a legal sequence of moves.


16th November 2007, 09:56am
#9
by JFercan
Toronto - Canada Colombia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 360
Now that sound like a plan.   My train of thought was to seclude the king to the corner, but as later seen it backfired.  Getting him out might have giving me a better chance.  Thank you ChessDweeb & Loomis.
16th November 2007, 10:08am
#10
by Whotanobb
Banja Luka, RS Bosnia-Herzegovina
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 15

6....Rf1;7.Rxf1-Qxf1#

That was I think.

16th November 2007, 10:09am
#11
by Whotanobb
Banja Luka, RS Bosnia-Herzegovina
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 15

Sorry, my mistake.

 

16th November 2007, 10:45am
#12
by almighty
Everywhere India
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 12
I too am a novice here! So this may be a blunder, but what about 1. ... Rae1 ?
16th November 2007, 10:53am
#13
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153
1. ... Rae8 allows the white bishop to escape from g7. Though perhaps winning this bishop at the expense of the king's pawn shield is not worth it.
16th November 2007, 11:55am
#14
by GamerRW
Independence, MO United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 7

I agree with ChessDwweb, 4...Qc5+ gives white many chances.

If 5. Ke1??, then 5...Qe3+.  6.Kf1 Rf8#.

If 5. Kf3??, then 5...Ne5 forks the king and queen.

if 5. Kg3??, then 5...Rg8 wins the queen.

If 5. Kf1??, then 5...Rf8+.  If 6.Ke1, then 6...Qf2#.  If 6.Ke2, then 6...Qf2+ 7.Kd3 Ne5 forks the king and queen.

This only leaves 5. Ke2 which gives  black many options but no obvious next move.


16th November 2007, 12:01pm
#15
by JFercan
Toronto - Canada Colombia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 360

I love this site.  You guys are great.  I will defently become a better chess player with the help of people like you.

 

Thank you again.

 

GamerRW your input is great.  Thank you. 


16th November 2007, 12:24pm
#16
by GamerRW
Independence, MO United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 7

If 5. Ke2, then 5...Qe7+ looks promising. 

If 6. Kd3 or 6. Kf3, then 6...Ne5 forks the king and queen.

If 6. Ke3, then 6...Re8+ eventually leads to white losing his rook and checkmate.

If 6. Kf1 or 6. Kf2, then 6....Rf8+ 7. Kg1 Rf6 and white has good chances. 

 


16th November 2007, 12:30pm
#17
by Skillz88
Behind you!! jokin, I'm on your left. United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 183

yeh u should of won!! (sorry for posting so late but i accidently pressed the back button)

6... Ne5 7... Qe2 and hopefully Queen takes rook but if he does something, dont worry u could of done 8... Rf1+ his rook takes, ur queen takes CHECKMATE!!

16th November 2007, 12:34pm
#18
by GamerRW
Independence, MO United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 7
That should have been, leaves black good chances but I do not see a sure win here.
16th November 2007, 12:51pm
#19
by GamerRW
Independence, MO United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 7
Skillz88 wrote:

yeh u should of won!! (sorry for posting so late but i accidently pressed the back button)

6... Ne5 7... Qe2 and hopefully Queen takes rook but if he does something, dont worry u could of done 8... Rf1+ his rook takes, ur queen takes CHECKMATE!!


 What if white plays 7. Qb1


16th November 2007, 12:57pm
#20
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153
GamerRW wrote: Skillz88 wrote:

yeh u should of won!! (sorry for posting so late but i accidently pressed the back button)

6... Ne5 7... Qe2 and hopefully Queen takes rook but if he does something, dont worry u could of done 8... Rf1+ his rook takes, ur queen takes CHECKMATE!!


 What if white plays 7. Qb1


 6. ... Ne5 7. Qb1 Nd3 threatening Nf2+. White can't take on d3 because of the back rank vulnerability.  6. ...  Ne5 is very good as I indicated in my first post. There are some good moves earlier as others have pointed out.


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