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8th November 2007, 08:34am
#1
by king314
San Diego, Ca. United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
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I thought this position would be a draw, but when I played with it, I managed to find mate. Can anyone see something wrong with this, such as what black could have done?

 


8th November 2007, 08:43am
#2
by Ricardo_Morro
Bridgeport, CT United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 618
This is an elementary forced mate that is shown in practically every beginner's book.
8th November 2007, 08:46am
#3
by Ray_Brooks
Heart of Darkness England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2166

It's an easy win for white! He has mating material.


8th November 2007, 08:49am
#4
by HotFlow
KL, Malaysia Malaysia
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2170
lol, another joker?  I think black could of played for threats on your health if you didn't resignmaybe that could of paid off. Tongue out
8th November 2007, 09:19am
#5
by PlayToMateFirst
Douglasville, GA United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 25
King & rook is a defenate win you should never draw with a king and rook the only way is if there is a agreed draw by you and whoever your playing. I would never agree to a draw with a king and rook however LOL
8th November 2007, 03:36pm
#6
by ivandh
GA United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 481

Most books have a list of pawnless endings and what to expect from them.

 

Queen against rook/bishop/knight: Queen wins

Queen against rook and bishop/knight: Draw

Queen against two bishops/bishop and knight: Queen usually wins

Queen against two knights: Usually a draw

Rook against knight/bishop: Draw

Rook and bishop against rook: Usually a draw

Rook and knight against rook: Draw

Queen and bishop/knight against queen: Usually a draw

Two bishops against knight: Bishops usually win

Queen or rook (against king only): Win

Two bishops: Win

Bishop and knight: Usually a draw

Two knights: Draw

Bishop or knight: Draw 


8th November 2007, 04:21pm
#7
by Ricardo_Morro
Bridgeport, CT United States
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Member Points: 618

Bishop and knight force checkmate against the bare King. But you have to know how to do it. It is the most complex of the "elementary" mates. The best explanation of the procedure I have seen is in Tarrasch's "The Game of Chess." But even masters have occasionally been embarrassed by having to confess they don't know how to do it and falling prey to the fifty-move rule for a draw.

The two knights draw against the bare King, but paradoxically can often force checkmate against King and pawn! This is because the pawn can be blocked and then released at the critical moment to avoid stalemate. All depends on where the pawn is.


8th November 2007, 04:31pm
#8
by matzleeach
Chicago IL United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
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Ricardo_Morro wrote: This is an elementary forced mate that is shown in practically every beginner's book.

WOW! Amazing


8th November 2007, 04:37pm
#9
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2143

Black's only chances are:

-White not making time control

-White having a heart attack before routinely mating 


 

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