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21st October 2007, 01:40pm
#1
by brit6400
TUCSON AZ United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 5

the enclosed drawn game should have been won as I had the advantage early of winning my opponents Queen. shame on me. Can someone point out where I went wrong?


21st October 2007, 01:59pm
#2
by Alvis
Spain Spain
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 13
In move 58 the only way to win is to put your king protecting the pawn (walking before the pawn) Ke5 or Kf5 you have to move first the king and then pawn, first king, then pawn... Sorry for my poor english
21st October 2007, 02:04pm
#3
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2165

This is still a won game for white until 62. Ne6?? Just leave the knight where it is -- protecting the pawn -- and use the king to help the pawn promote. If you're not familiar with K+P endings, there are lots of resources to learn about them. They are key to winning endgames. If you know K+P endings, then you'll know that an extra knight is an easy win.

 

Also, if you're familiar with endgames, you'd probably play 59. Ke5. This move seals off the black king and you will promote your pawn easily. This king formation, kings on c5 and e5 is an example of "opposition". You can find lots of good resources on opposition if you're not familiar with it.

 

So my first recommendation is to study the endgame. Then this would have been an easy win to finish off. The other things I noticed in this game is that throughout the middle game both players over value playing check. You should use check to accomplish some other goal, not just to play check.

 


21st October 2007, 02:11pm
#4
by DavidL
Schaumburg, IL United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 40

I disagree, if Kd5, then black has either ...Ke7 or ...Kg7. After ...Ke7, then White goes Ke5 Kf8, Kf6 Kg8, g7+ Kh7, Kf7 Kh6, g8=R Kh7, Rg6 Kh8, Rh6#

After ...Kg7, white does Ke5, and then its over. Black can go to Kh6, then if white does Kf6, stalemate, but Kf5 leads to a white win. 


21st October 2007, 02:24pm
#5
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2165
David, I'm not trying to be critical, just helpful. Can you be clearer as to who you are responding to (disagreeing with) and in what position your analysis starts? I think you mean to start at 62. Kd5; which leads to an easy win for white as long as white watches out for stalemate as you point out.
21st October 2007, 02:28pm
#6
by DavidL
Schaumburg, IL United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 40
I'm disagreeig with Alvis, I totally agree with you, and my calculations started at 62. Kd5, sorry about that.
21st October 2007, 09:08pm
#7
by greyfox
manila, philippines Philippines
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 182
21. ... R8b4 left the rook en prise ready to take by the a pawn?
21st October 2007, 09:40pm
#8
by greersome
Chicago, IL United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 194

I would have exchanged the queens at move 15 or 16 when I still had the option to castle.  The queen exchange was made later in move 19, but at that point, your option to castle is lost and you are surrounded by major pieces.

 

Instead of 23. Rab1, why not 23. axb4? 

48. Rb3+

 

Ultimately, you may have done better by using your king in more of an offensive manner applying more and more pressure on the black king.

 

Hope that helps. 


21st October 2007, 10:43pm
#9
by HotFlow
KL, Malaysia Malaysia
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 529
Just some small advice, at move 25 you could of took his rook, he would of took yours back of course. But you would have two knights left and he would had no minor pieces in which case you would have had an easy time just running around the board gobbling up his pawns and pushing your own to get a new shinny queen.  The trick to the end game is gobble as many pawns as you can.
30th October 2007, 03:07pm
#10
by Alvis
Spain Spain
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 13
DavidL wrote: I'm disagreeig with Alvis, I totally agree with you, and my calculations started at 62. Kd5, sorry about that.

Sorry, but my analysis starts in move 58 no in move 62, in move 58 Ke5 or Kf5 wins


30th October 2007, 06:12pm
#11
by DavidL
Schaumburg, IL United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 40
I just disagree when you said it was the only way to win was 58 Ke5 or Kf5. You are correct, but he still could've won until he gave up his pawn.
1st November 2007, 02:57pm
#12
by Alvis
Spain Spain
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 13

Sorry, you are correct,  that are some of the way to win, but he also can gave up is pawn. thanks


 

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