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20th September 2007, 09:40am
#1
by Shruikon
Worcester England
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 561

Wow. Usually, I'm a decent French player, but in this match I got obliterated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did I go wrong? 


20th September 2007, 10:42am
#2
by pthaloblue
Albuquerque United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 45

Your pieces seem to get bottled up in the corner when you retreat at 5...Nf6-d7.

 What if at 4 you play ...d5xe4

 It seems like the e pawn pushes forward and after 5... Nfd7 your pieces are all bottled up in the corner.


4th November 2007, 09:34am
#3
by Sprite
Washington, D.C. area United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 407

I didn't like 6...g6.

I probably would've castled, and then chased the queen away.

 


4th November 2007, 09:45am
#4
by KingLeopold
Scottsdale, AZ. United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 402

Doesn't castling loose the exchange?

6...0-0 7.Bh6 g6 8.Bxf8


4th November 2007, 10:23am
#5
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4945

6. ... g6 also looks awkward to me (and later your opponent does eat you up on the dark squares). The most commonly played move is 6. ... Kf8. Though I'm not familiar with this position.

 

Is there a reason you can't take the e5 pawn earlier? I see it could be dangerous to allow the bishop on to f6, but if you can get away with it, it might save your position.

 

Maybe 13. ... Be7 might relieve some pressure.


6th November 2007, 06:22am
#6
by adj
Laguna Philippines
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 61
good game though.. but you should've castled in kingside instead of pushing the pawn..
6th November 2007, 09:30am
#7
by Shruikon
Worcester England
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 561

If I castled kingside then Bh6 and it starts to look very bad for me.

But, thank you Loomis, for pointing out Kf8. It didn't even cross my mind to do that, as I wanted to castle to get my rook out at some point. 


6th November 2007, 09:46am
#8
by JuliusH
Denton, TX United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 204
yeah I'm no expert but it seems that after ...g6 you are just on the defensive getting chased around.
6th November 2007, 10:21am
#9
by kamanyola
roanoke, VA United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 19

He play that french defense poorly. you don't make g6 if you got alot of pieces in your king's face.

keep practicing it,  you will be best on french defense in the future.

 


31st March 2008, 08:02am
#10
by tbonius
Hobart Australia
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 642

White sure can give you some headaches on the king-side with the french defence!  Best to force them to defend queenside by rapid development there.

Nf6-d7 is a good move, it supports c5, but it should only be planned to be on d7 temporarily - your queens bishop needs that square.

I think your mistake was 8...Nc6. after the exchange you have doubled pawns on the c file, and when you play the french GET THE C FILE OPEN. I would play a6 without hesitation. If the bishop takes the knight on D7, fine, you develop your bishop and make some space for your rook on c8 ( you want it there asap.)

Pile on the pressure on the d4 pawn! and don't be afraid to delay castling kingside - you would be castling into the side of the board where none of your pieces are!


18th May 2008, 06:49pm
#11
by fenhardy
kingston Jamaica
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 5

you should have taken the first pawn then develop your pieces

 


18th May 2008, 10:56pm
#12
by NM OmarCayenne
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 12607

It looks to me like you could have played 17... Qd8 and gotten out of most of your difficulties.

 

Still, earlier he had the very promising 15 Nxd5.  Also strong seems 16 ef, threatening mate in 2.  You seem forced to play 15... h5.

 

I'm hardly an expert on the French, but allowing that knight into d6 like that looks pretty (as they say) double-edged.


19th May 2008, 04:46pm
#13
by Shruikon
Worcester England
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 561
Seriously guys, this was posted back in september 2007. Stop necro-bumping :p
19th May 2008, 07:10pm
#14
by stormcrown
Louisville United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 214

lolz thread necromancy at its best!

Hey, I didn't care for g6.

 

/runs away

 


12th October 2008, 09:56am
#15
by WordWarrior
Groningen Netherlands
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 199

It's called the "Gledhill Attack" I think. It's pretty sharp but I still really like playing the French as black. Somehow I get luckier than most. :)

12th October 2008, 10:37am
#16
by Skeptikill
Vancouver Canada Ireland
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1364

ooh man. i used to play the french alot a few years ago but eventually changed to other openings. I ran into this variation twice where white plays Qg4 and both times i lost. Advice from a Master of some kind after the game said i should get queenside play and leave him take the 2 pawns on g7 and h7. but the second time i tried this and i lost. im looking forward to reading some of the comments now.

10th November 2008, 09:20am
#17
by hicetnunc
Neuilly-sur-Seine France
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 5379

I don't like 12...c5 - is 12...Nxe5 13.Qf4 Nd7 that bad for you ?

14th December 2008, 12:01pm
#18
by Fernandobd
Tlalnepantla Edo. de Mexico Mexico
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 16

I think that 17. Qe7 is the most effective move because the mate comes faster.

14th December 2008, 12:34pm
#19
by quequeg
Halifax England
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 172

fritz shows Bf8 as best after whites Qg4 but still with a better position for white.  Bb2 seems to be the odd move with fritz suggesting taking the pawn for black.  I usually play Nf6 rather than the Winnawear Bb4 and then when white plays e5 the standard reply is Nd7 but at quickplay i try Ne4!? which is playable but you need to study it - always gives me a time advantage though!

 

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