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20th December 2007, 06:36am
#1
by davidcarlson
Vienna VA United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 113

This is a game I played yesterday

I think I fixed it


20th December 2007, 06:47am
#2
by spiraldomain
Singapore Singapore
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 10
davidcarlson wrote:

This is a game I played yesterday

I messed up inputing the moves at 32... what do I do?


 Bb3


20th December 2007, 08:29am
#3
by Kingfisher
Johannesburg South Africa
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1671

Because white is in check in move 24.

And I think what David is asking is how to input moves into a show board in a post here, right? As far as that goes, once you hit insert it's pretty much screwed totally.  You can only delete it and put a new one with all correct moves.   


20th December 2007, 01:05pm
#4
by davidcarlson
Vienna VA United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 113
Kingfisher wrote:

Because white is in check in move 24.

And I think what David is asking is how to input moves into a show board in a post here, right? As far as that goes, once you hit insert it's pretty much screwed totally.  You can only delete it and put a new one with all correct moves.   


 yeah, I guess I'll just make a new one


20th December 2007, 03:19pm
#5
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1630

no, there is a thread with most of the answers about the board thing in the help section somewhere.  You can edit a board by simply clicking the placemarker and then clicking the little board icon again.


20th December 2007, 07:28pm
#6
by davidcarlson
Vienna VA United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 113
sstteevveenn wrote:

no, there is a thread with most of the answers about the board thing in the help section somewhere.  You can edit a board by simply clicking the placemarker and then clicking the little board icon again.


thanks, but I ended up deleting it and creating a new one

21st December 2007, 02:11pm
#7
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1630
ah, this was confusing to me too, i think it's his first time using the board tool, and the text is in the wrong place.  I think the touch move rule only applies to where he blocked the check, losing a piece, because he initially touched his bishop in order to try to exchange bishops. 
21st December 2007, 02:49pm
#8
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1630
well, touch-move just means, you have to move the piece that you touched, he seems to have attempted to take on g7, thus touching his own bishop and being forced to move it.  The only legal bishop move was to block the check, unfortunately losing his bishop in the process. 
21st December 2007, 03:11pm
#9
by davidcarlson
Vienna VA United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 113
sstteevveenn wrote: well, touch-move just means, you have to move the piece that you touched, he seems to have attempted to take on g7, thus touching his own bishop and being forced to move it.  The only legal bishop move was to block the check, unfortunately losing his bishop in the process. 

yes

 

this is my first time using the board tool, and I'm sorry if anything was confusing

 

this was part of the Metro Area Chess League http://www.chessctr.org/macl.php

I play board 4 for Madison (Southern division). We destroyed Lake Braddock Tongue out, 4.5 - .5

21st December 2007, 06:31pm
#10
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1630

It's just touch move... you are describing the same rule twice.  Deliberately touch, prod, lift, adjust without announcing, then you must move this piece if your opponent requests it before he has deliberately touched a piece, and it has a legal move.  This is touch move.  Touch piece just sounds like someone misnamed the rule. 

 

Once you move a piece and let go, it's no longer your move, so you cant grab it and move it back.  That isnt really touch move. 


21st December 2007, 07:51pm
#11
by davidcarlson
Vienna VA United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 113

in addition to all that sstteevveenn has said, you don't need to declare check...

so my opponent didn't see the check, and touched his bishop. When you touch a piece the touch-move rule says that you have to move the piece if you are able, and my opponent was able to block the check.

 but anyways, how can I improove my game? the only mistake I can see is the hanging pawn on move 10.
Did I play the opening correctly? I like to play the dragon, but is there a better way to play it?

thanks in advance

21st December 2007, 10:02pm
#12
by Gompers
Kea'au United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 42
nice
22nd December 2007, 08:24am
#13
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1630
yes, you've got it, you touch a piece without stating that you are adjusting it then you must move that piece if it's legal and your opponent requests it.  ie you can try to move another piece, but it's up to your opponent whether he would prefer you to move the original piece.  Actually lifting the piece makes no difference.  You can slide the piece around the board, and back to its original square if you like, for example if you suddenly dont like where you were going to put it, so long as you dont take your hand off it, but the touch-move rule still applies.  It is considered a move once you release the piece on a new square, but clearly no illegal moves are allowed. 
22nd December 2007, 09:23am
#14
by davidcarlson
Vienna VA United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 113
KingsCross wrote:  ...So, to avoid this confusion, always declare check.

 you aren't required to say check, it is the player's responsability to notice check


22nd December 2007, 10:05am
#15
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1630

well, the rule "touch move" just means "you must move that piece if it's legal to move it somewhere", not "you must make that exact move if it's legal and if it isnt then we need another rule to ensure you must still move that piece if it's legal"  one rule covers the lot. 

 

The check thing is just a courtesy.  For example you wont lose a game for not announcing check, and also it has no affect on the touch move rules.  You just wont feel so bad when enforcing the touch move if you have announced check Laughing

 

The setting on chess.com i believe just removes the "submit" button and makes the move automatically when it is completed.  You can still deselect pieces once you have clicked them, as it is all too easy to accidentally click the mouse, compared to accidentally touching a piece in real chess.  I know it mentions touch move in the settings to do with whether or not you are able to observe your piece in its new location, but this is not technically correct, and seems to be the source of the confusion.  


 

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