is this attack sound?

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26th February 2008, 12:02pm
#1
by th3jamez
Reading England
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 56

I recently played a game at a club and i won, i played a few dodgy moves in the beginning but neither me or my opponent new the theory for the opening! Anyway i had a couple of sacrifices and i was wondering if they were safe or not. I was playing with the white peices and the time control was

45 mins each on the clock.

Tell me what you thinkSmile


26th February 2008, 12:18pm
#2
by carealestate
San Jose, California United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 155
How do you see your attack continuing after 21...h6?
26th February 2008, 12:27pm
#3
by Daemon_Panda
Coconut Grove , Fl United States
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Member Points: 982
You missed 23. Qf7# and your attack was too planned, I could see your plan ten moves in advance. Try to make more subtle moves. Studying books really helps too. I wish you good luck.
26th February 2008, 12:28pm
#4
by ketchuplover
West Bend,WI United States
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Member Points: 456
good question :)
26th February 2008, 12:32pm
#5
by broze
Bath England
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 309
Daemon_Panda wrote: You missed 23. Qf7# and your attack was too planned, I could see your plan ten moves in advance. Try to make more subtle moves. Studying books really helps too. I wish you good luck.

Fraid not due to bishop on c4.


26th February 2008, 12:48pm
#6
by SonofPearl
Wales
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Member Points: 3846
Fritz says 19.Ng5 first (because you then control e6 to stop his bishop going there, I think).  Also it calculates that 23...Nd7 saves the day.
26th February 2008, 01:42pm
#7
by oneEfour
Virginia United States
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Member Points: 22

There is no clear refutation to 20. Ng5!  ... h6 is refuted by Nxe6.  Black no real response to that.  Rxe6 Bxe6+ Qxe6 Bxh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 and you are up a pawn and an exchange with tons of pressure.  Any other move loses worse than Bxc4 for black.

 

21. Rxf6! Again has no refutation.  Any other move leads to checkmate in no time because of Qxh7+ (or # if they dont take the Rook). 21 ... h6 leads to further complications but it doesn't seem to relieve any pressure.  Rxg6! and you have a nasty pin on the dark bishop which can be cashed in after hxg5 Bxg5 with your bishop, rook, and Queen all ready to pounce.  If he doesn't play Bxe2 I feel like your other Rook can keep the King within the KB file and you still have the mate though it will be a dirty one.  Anyone got real analysis on that line?

 

 

 

 


26th February 2008, 11:22pm
#8
by NM tonydal
United States
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Member Points: 1381

I think another strong possibility on move 17 was Bg5.  On 17... Nh5 you have 18 f6 followed by g4, and on 17... Nxe4 you can also play 18 f6.  If he plays 17... Qd8 there's 18 fg fg 19 Nxe5 de 20 Bxf6 Bxf6 21 Rxf6 (or even 21 Qxf6) with what looks like a promising attack.  Plus you're a pawn up.

 

Also 17 fe followed by 18 e5 looked good.  I don't think he really had much else besides 16... e5 though, considering you're always threatening to give him a permanent wedgie with 17 e5.  Funny how his clunky bishop on d7 is in the way throughout (both of a knight going to d7 and of defending the second rank).

 

This has been a very interesting game to analyze, by the way.  A lot of fun!--with whirlwinds of crazy vars (but now unfortunately I've got a headache).  I do though have the feeling that Fritz is right about 23... Nd7.


27th February 2008, 07:47am
#9
by th3jamez
Reading England
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 56
hmm k. thanks for the advice.
27th February 2008, 07:49am
#10
by th3jamez
Reading England
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Member Points: 56
carealestate wrote: How do you see your attack continuing after 21...h6?

im not sure i think something along the line of 22. Rxg6 hxg5 23.Qxg5 and i think white must have some sort of compensation.


27th February 2008, 07:50am
#11
by EnGliSHCheSsPlAy
Italy Italy
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Member Points: 518
nice game!
27th February 2008, 08:32am
#12
by th3jamez
Reading England
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 56
thanks.
28th February 2008, 06:14pm
#13
by Escapest_Pawn
MISSOULA,MT United States
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Member Points: 536

Hating machines as much as I do, (John Henry, the first Terminator movie, and all good people agree) I would like to take down Fritz's 23...Nd7) It does indeed seem to get him out of mate, but 24 RxBf6+ NxBf6 25 Qh6+ Ke7 26 Qg7+and you get to swipe his knight with check and retain the better game.  If he goes 25... Kg8 take the pawn and you still get the knight.

Avoid my 1st mating try 24 Ne6+ RxN and 25 B h6 does little other than kick him around,  Same applies for 25 Ne6 after my previous 24 RxB above. 


1st March 2008, 02:19am
#14
by NM tonydal
United States
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Escapest_Pawn wrote:

Hating machines as much as I do, (John Henry, the first Terminator movie, and all good people agree) I would like to take down Fritz's 23...Nd7) It does indeed seem to get him out of mate, but 24 RxBf6+ NxBf6 25 Qh6+ Ke7 26 Qg7+and you get to swipe his knight with check and retain the better game.  If he goes 25... Kg8 take the pawn and you still get the knight.

Avoid my 1st mating try 24 Ne6+ RxN and 25 B h6 does little other than kick him around,  Same applies for 25 Ne6 after my previous 24 RxB above. 


 I'm going to take a bit more convincing about "retaining the better game."  You do have some comp--but you are also the double exchange down.


1st March 2008, 03:48am
#15
by Escapest_Pawn
MISSOULA,MT United States
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Member Points: 536

An immediate 24)Qxg6 provides lots of threats on the pinned bishop (Nh7+) and getting his bishop involved etc, but you really don't want to let his king out of the corner.  Probably whites most interesting move is 24)Ng3 with lots of possibilities, and now Qxg6 is more of a real threat as the same knight has f5 to look forward to.   Great game and position.  Lots of possibilities.

This is after Fritz's Nd7


1st March 2008, 05:18am
#16
by th3jamez
Reading England
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 56
Daemon_Panda wrote: You missed 23. Qf7# and your attack was too planned, I could see your plan ten moves in advance. Try to make more subtle moves. Studying books really helps too. I wish you good luck.

if you saw my plan 10 moves in advance you knew what i was going to do on move 8?


 

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