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KID game - looking for some advice

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16th March 2008, 06:28am
#1
by TalFan
Perth Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 642

Hi guys . I am mostly looking for advice how to approach the KID when playing it as black . Usually, as a result of playing it incorrectly I get into cramped positions . I have added a gameI played recently to illustrate the point . The end result  is not very important , as I only won the game because of a silly blunder by my opponent . As I say I am mostly looking for opening advice but any other comments are appreciated too.

 


16th March 2008, 06:41am
#2
by Graw81
Dublin Ireland
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 767

To me, this is a London System with ...g6. I usually play ...e6/...b6 ideas instead. Black gets an easy game, or at least easily develops in the opening in this opening. I guess you can just develop quite similar to how you would play against the colle or torre attack. If you dont want to become too cramped you could refrain from this KID/fianchetto on Kingside system and play the e6/b6 ideas.

 

This is all covered in NCO see pages 73-76 and compare. 


16th March 2008, 06:44am
#3
by TalFan
Perth Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 642

Ok thanks , I'll have a look . I find it hardest out of all to defend against the 4 pawn attack . Do you have any suggestions ?


16th March 2008, 06:48am
#4
by Graw81
Dublin Ireland
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 767
I dont actuallly play the KID so i dont know what to suggest against that. The first game sequence i would say is a London System based on Whites moves rather than a KID. Best of luck with it, im sure there are many KID advocates here that can help you.
16th March 2008, 06:48am
#5
by matthiassmall
United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 84
I agree with Graw81's suggestion. The KID is difficult to play, as white can dominate the center and give black a very cramped position. I gave up the KID a long time ago in favor of the Nimzo-Indian and Queen's Indian. They at least can prevent white from getting in an easy e4.
16th March 2008, 06:50am
#6
by TalFan
Perth Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 642

Thanks guys :)

Just had a look at chessgames , and the four pawns attack seems like the biggest test for the KID. Here the results :

Number of games in database: 821
Years covered: 1879 to 2008
Overall record:
   White wins 44.5%
   Black wins 27.6%
   Draws 27.9%

 


16th March 2008, 07:02am
#7
by matthiassmall
United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 84

The KID is one of those openings that - statistically - isn't all that impressive. It's good enough for Fischer and Kasparov, though, so it's not like it's unsound... probably difficult for the rest of us amateurs to get a good game, though.

 

Personally, I like to compare the KID to the Dragon and the Pirc. The hard job of landing a knock-out counterpunch is given to black. White, on the other hand, already has the initiative and can choose an attack that requires little effort (Yugoslav for Dragon, Austrian for Pirc, 4-Pawn for KID).


16th March 2008, 09:38am
#8
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 199
how about 3... e5? against the 4 pawn
16th March 2008, 10:00am
#9
by matthiassmall
United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 84
bastiaan wrote: how about 3... e5? against the 4 pawn

How would you even know if white is going to play the 4-Pawn Attack by move 3? Playing e5 that early would resemble something like the Budapest Gambit, except that black has played g6, which would probably be awkward for that sort of position.


16th March 2008, 10:16am
#10
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 199

Personally I would play it to respond to his e and f pawns. But it also helps against further control of th center.

The g6 is awkward in this opening, but a fianchetto would be nice later on, or castling. I think the e and f pawns are the main priority


16th March 2008, 10:49am
#11
by DimKnight
Connecticut United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 75

I've been messing around with the KID for really just a couple of months in blitz, and I haven't gotten around to doing my theoretical homework, so take this advice with a grain of salt.

     First, I do find the KID to be a useful weapon against London-type systems (1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 or Nf3). The thing I notice in TalFan's first game is that there are no ...e5 or ...c5 pawn breaks. As black, these are very important if you don't want to have a position that's too cramped. Organizing one at the right time, of course, is the real trick.

      Second, my general rule is to try to prevent white's unopposed e4. To do this I depart from the KID and use the Grunfeld (1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5), which of course is a different animal. Note that I withhold the ...d5 until the point at which white threatens e4. This is an approach I also use against the London-type systems. For example: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 g6 3. Nc3 d5.

     Just some incoherent Sunday afternoon ramblings...


16th March 2008, 06:06pm
#12
by TalFan
Perth Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 642
DimKnight wrote:

I've been messing around with the KID for really just a couple of months in blitz, and I haven't gotten around to doing my theoretical homework, so take this advice with a grain of salt.

     First, I do find the KID to be a useful weapon against London-type systems (1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 or Nf3). The thing I notice in TalFan's first game is that there are no ...e5 or ...c5 pawn breaks. As black, these are very important if you don't want to have a position that's too cramped. Organizing one at the right time, of course, is the real trick.

      Second, my general rule is to try to prevent white's unopposed e4. To do this I depart from the KID and use the Grunfeld (1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5), which of course is a different animal. Note that I withhold the ...d5 until the point at which white threatens e4. This is an approach I also use against the London-type systems. For example: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 g6 3. Nc3 d5.

     Just some incoherent Sunday afternoon ramblings...


Thanks mate , Grunfeld looks like a little easier to handle , and I might try switching to it instead .


 

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