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Knight sac, blunder or winning move?


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #1

    Wrinn

     

    I'm pretty happy with this game.  I thought I was losing for sure, down a pawn and worse development untill around move 13 or so.

    Here's the link: http://live.chess.com/simple?v=2011011301#g=96397831

    And here's the game:

    I haven't analysed it yet for blunders/mistakes etc.  Tell me what you think :)

    EDIT: I have notes on move 12.  Check em.

     

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #2

    Dragec

    I think a sacrifice is not correct, but white does need some precise defending for couple of moves(which white did not do).

    For example 16. Rd2 seems like a good move.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #3

    madhatter5

    actually, 16.Rd2 loses to 16...Be3!

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #4

    Chess_Lover11

    I think it is a blunder, white should have played 19.b4 instead of g3 which is loosing.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #5

    Chess_Lover11

    Anyways nicely played....it wasn't easy to find out right defensive moves for white! Good aggresive play.Wink

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #6

    Azukikuru

    Fezzik wrote:
    Hmm.. I think I analysed the position poorly I missed 19.Bd2 which wins instantly. Still, it was a reasonable sac in an inferior position.

    Yeah, I saw 19. Bd2 too and was going to suggest it before you edited it in...

    [EDIT: Don't worry about it...]

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #7

    Dragec

    madhatter5 wrote:

    actually, 16.Rd2 loses to 16...Be3!


    check again.

    Be3, Rxd8, Rxd8(Bxc1,Rxf8+, Kxf8), Bxe3, Rd1+,Bg1.

    But sacrifice, even though it was not correct, gives a good practical chance for counter-play(especially in live chess), and it did pay off.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #8

    TomBarrister

    The sacrifice isn't sound if that was your question.

    18 Nf3 isn't the best place for the Knight.  18 Nf1 is better because it supports Be3 later. Even 18 Nb3 (gaining a tempo by attacking the Bishop) is better.

    19 g3 is bone-headed.  Bd2 solves most of White's problems.  After White's move, you have the advantage.

    After 22 Kf3? White can resign.  22 b4 was necessary so that he could play Bb2.

    Nothing wrong with trying a sacrifice when you have a bad position anyway.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #9

    Chess_Lover11

    The knight sac is the winning move of the game though it wasn't sound!Wink

    Even some great players of all time didn't made sound sacs but got a win for that!

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #10

    ultimifier

    there was no winning move in this game, only a series of losing moves

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #11

    jerry2468

    It is unsound. It made the position in level stay the same, but now he has insurance against anything you have to do. I would rather play other moves like Bc5+.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #12

    BaXeD

    I'm nowhere near the skill level of everyone else here, but in my opinion, if you are in a position where you think you will lose if you keep playing the right "book move", it is worth it to try things like this (if it has a reasonable chance) because anything is possible and if you can get them to blunder, you turn no points into a full point

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #13

    Wrinn

    Hello! Thanks everyone for the analysis, after reading everyone's comments it looks as though it wasn't a very good move. I'll consider it lucky this time that b4, Bd2 or g4 were never played. Any advice on this opening? I always seem to have a worse position as black in the Ruy Lopez openings.
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #14

    WilsonYiuWahWong

    Knight sacrifice is just wrong and your opponent made blatant errors following.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #15

    Arutha19

    I think it was Tal (not entirely sure though!) who said: "If I win it was a sacrifice, if I lose it was a blunder" or something to that effect. Personally, when your opponent sheds material for activity, as you did, I find most players struggle to deal with the ensuing complications on the defending side. And anyway you can console yourself with the fact that it was only a knight. If everything else comes off K+N vs K is a draw =P

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #16

    terfand

    You should have played 5...d6 or 6...d6 instead of a6 and b5. Position would be about equal then.

    And after your sacrifice he had been pretty better but he didn`t make any right moves at all!


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