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  • 12 months ago · Quote · #41

    erikido23

    chessmaster102 wrote:
    erikido23 wrote:
    chessmaster102 wrote:

    It seems as the tho the OP isn't analyzing anymore such a shame.

    Seems as though the op can't be on here 24/7.  SUch a shame some others are unnapreciative of the help that is given on these forums...(see you in a day or two ;/)

    Ooopps lolll I think you read that wrong I didnt really mean it for you to be mad at it was to go there to show people not to post games so fast so you can have time to look at it.

    Oh, sorry I took it the wrong way

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #42

    MSC157

    It was 25|5 game for 30 moves. If you find some better details, post it please! :)

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #43

    erikido23

    And your n-e7-f5-d6-e4 idea can't be right.  Even if you get the knight to e4 are you really threatening anything?  By the way white can either prevent it with g4 and your dead bishop and cramped knights aren't going to make his king unsafe(while there is a pawn storm looming-but white can build up slowly as he would like-maybe k-h1, r-g1 or a rook lift, n-f6,  f5 etc..keep in mind these are all just ideas.).  Or he can play k-h1 and after your n-f5 let g4 accelerate his attack. 

     

    My thoughts...I thought the ne7 idea was best to possibly play bd7 -b4 if allowed(the doubled pawn can be pushed-double minority attack).  Well, if white takes the bishop....aren't we happy that we have taken away an attacker against our kingside 

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #44

    erikido23

    MSC157 wrote:
     

    It was 25|5 game for 30 moves. If you find some better details, post it please! :)

    Hmm...haven't gone all the way through the game...But, first thing I notice...If you were playing black and you weren't happy about fixing whites structure after cxd4....Think about it this way....the white king is in the center.  The principled move (at the end of your sideline for black) would be b-d6(kind of where I thought the bishop should probably be anyways before.  But, maybe thats because I am a hack).  after knight moves then we play e5 , r-e8 etc..Black has the initiative

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #45

    MSC157

    erikido23 wrote:
    MSC157 wrote:
     

    It was 25|5 game for 30 moves. If you find some better details, post it please! :)

    Hmm...haven't gone all the way through the game...But, first thing I notice...If you were playing black and you weren't happy about fixing whites structure after cxd4....Think about it this way....the white king is in the center.  The principled move (at the end of your sideline for black) would be b-d6(kind of where I thought the bishop should probably be anyways before.  But, maybe thats because I am a hack).  after knight moves then we play e5 , r-e8 etc..Black has the initiative

    I played white but it is helpful to analyze both sides :)

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #46

    theweaponking

    erikido23 wrote:
    theweaponking wrote:

    Swallow this one.

     



    6.  dxc5....do you really have any compensation for the pawn?  You can't play q-a5.  b6 and you would have to recapture with the pawn...just not good.  Am I missing something?

    White does not want to shatter his central pawn structure by taking the c5 pawn.  Black gets better central play and White will likely have to give back the pawn.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #47

    erikido23

    theweaponking wrote:
    erikido23 wrote:
    theweaponking wrote:

    Swallow this one.

     



    6.  dxc5....do you really have any compensation for the pawn?  You can't play q-a5.  b6 and you would have to recapture with the pawn...just not good.  Am I missing something?

    White does not want to shatter his central pawn structure by taking the c5 pawn.  Black gets better central play and White will likely have to give back the pawn.

    How does this ruin his structure?  He wins a pawn...and the black position is not coordinated at all.  How is black getting central play?  His bishop is staring at c3.  Give me an example line(won't help if I can't physically see it though)

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #48

    DrFrank124c

    y do some of those game viewer things not work? some seem to work, others do not and the problem appears to be mostly on this page

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #49

    erikido23

    frank124c wrote:

    y do some of those game viewer things not work? some seem to work, others do not and the problem appears to be mostly on this page

    CHess.com is trying to avoid me taking over the world...

     

    I really don't know why this is happening


     

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #50

    MSC157

    If you quote, then there's just a spinning square. Otherwise there' a board.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #51

    erikido23

    wow, you're a genius msc...Maybe you should take over the world

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #52

    theweaponking

    erikido23 wrote:
    theweaponking wrote:
    erikido23 wrote:
    theweaponking wrote:

    Swallow this one.

     



    6.  dxc5....do you really have any compensation for the pawn?  You can't play q-a5.  b6 and you would have to recapture with the pawn...just not good.  Am I missing something?

    White does not want to shatter his central pawn structure by taking the c5 pawn.  Black gets better central play and White will likely have to give back the pawn.

    How does this ruin his structure?  He wins a pawn...and the black position is not coordinated at all.  How is black getting central play?  His bishop is staring at c3.  Give me an example line(won't help if I can't physically see it though)

    6. dxc5, e5!, and White's center is crumbling.  Black gets more coordination than you give him credit for here.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #53

    erikido23

    after e5....e4...who is in trouble?  i would think black is probably going to be falling pretty quickly

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #54

    lollolbuddha

    k

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #55

    theweaponking

    7...dxe4 forces the trade of queens and wins a tempo against the knight.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #56

    erikido23

    theweaponking wrote:

    7...dxe4 forces the trade of queens and wins a tempo against the knight.

    dxe4 and yes white is depressed that the black knight has to take on d8 allowing me to keep my extra pawn with the initiative or kxd8 n-g4 winning the extra pawn back again with the initiative...Am I missing something?


     

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #57

    theweaponking

    Here's some reasons as to why I believe 6. dxc5, e5 - 7. e4 is undesirable for White.



  • 12 months ago · Quote · #58

    theweaponking

    My point with that post up there is that White is losing his center whether he likes it or not.  Whether or not he gets compensation for that looks debatable to me.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #59

    erikido23

    Nxe5....If you take nxe5 fxe5 and bxe5 the b-b5 is crushing.  So basically you have to take off the knight and thenplay dxe4.  Playable(probably, but I would  take the white side.)With some quick analysis it SEEMED as though black couldn't win back that pawn..even if he did.  WHite has the MOBILE queenside majority and black just hads an isolani.  Like I said playable...But, why does white have to prove anything when he is up a pawn?  Seems black should be the one to prove something.    

     

    And thanks for pushing me :D...This is exactly what I was looking for.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #60

    theweaponking

    Honestly, I'm partial to Black in a lot of positions.  I prefer to play the black pieces since I enjoy the extra challenge.  I tend to take my games more seriously with black too.  And let me check this...

     




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