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loss in the panov botvinnik

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #1

    tigergutt

    17.Ne5 was a bad move that simply lost a pawn and i never recovered. but im not sure how i should have continued anyway. any comments are appriciated
  • 4 months ago · Quote · #2

    paulgottlieb

    17.Ne5 was a mistake for sure, but I think things were already not going that well for you. Looking around the databases a bit, 7.Bd3 is not a terribly popular move. I guess because Black can immediately play dxc4 and you've lost a tempo. 7.Bg5 and 7.a3 are the most popular moves and they both show a better winning percentage than 7,Bd3. The third most popular move is 7.c5!? which has  a high winning percentage, although it looks quite double-edged to me.

    Actually, 16...Nd5 wasn't a particularly good move form Black, and I think you could have gotten an equal game with 17.Nxd5. 16....Qb6 was stronger

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #3

    tigergutt

    Thanks for comments! Maybe i should have played 17.Nxd5. About Bd3 yes white kind of lost an tempo, But he is supposed to do it. The thing is white cant outwait black because blacks pawn at d5 is a strong pawn. Black has no reason to trade it against the cpawn. He rather let whites bishop stay at f1 and be a problem for him. The way i understand it c5 is the other mainline steering for a really complicated middlegame while the other mainline i dont remember completely is going for an endgame. I once had jakob aagards exellent book on the panov botvinnik but i lost it
  • 4 months ago · Quote · #4

    tigergutt

    Ops my faulth i meant to say pxe5 was the blunder. I messed up when annotating afterwards:)
  • 4 months ago · Quote · #5

    tigergutt

    I actually like rxe5. Then i continue swinging the rook over to the kingside with rh5 and black gets mated if he takes the rook.
  • 4 months ago · Quote · #6

    IM pfren

    7.cd5 Nxd5 8.Bd3 is the regular way to play the position.

    Anyway, like you played also goes. If white does not like that particular position, he may choose 11.Ba2 b5 12.d5 which is an almost certain draw.

    To play for a win, white must pick between 11.Ba2 b5 12.Re1 and 11.Be3!? b5 12.Bd3

    Both are objectively equal, but there is still plenty of play for both. Played at high level a lot of times.

    At move 15, Bh6 does not click to me. You had to put either rook on d1 (maybe Rfd1 is more exact, not analysed properly).

    17.Ne5? is definitely a positional blunder. 18.Rxe5 does not make the situation better at all after the natural 18...Bf6. It looks like white is lost- e.g. 19.Rh5 does not threaten anything, and Black wins with either 19...Nxc3 or 19...e5.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #7

    tigergutt

    i see. i must look closer into this. thanks

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