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14th December 2007, 07:19am
#1
by Clownfish
Uppsala Sweden
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 196

This was my win in 7 moves, but I didn't put it in the showcase, since I didn't win due to some particular skill to show off with, rather due my opponent's mistakes. My question is - where did he go totally wrong? I thought I could learn by his mistakes, if you point out what his worst blunder was. Blocking the check with the bishop? Doesn't this resemble scholar's mate?


14th December 2007, 07:28am
#2
by Magicmunky
Cambridgeshire United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 89

3 ... Nc6  then 4. Qe5+ loses the queen

Seems to me 2 ... c5 is not very good, it only forces white to move the Queen to a safer square at best. In your case an attacking square.

I don't know a great deal about the Centre counter but 3. Qxd4 seems abit weak

 

14th December 2007, 07:37am
#3
by sushijunkie
Vestal, NY United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 15
3...c5 (Nc6 better) and 4...Be7 (Qe7 better) are bad, but 5...d6 is the whopper; it loses immediately. 5...Nf6 heads off your attack and maintains a small advantage. In addition, 6...Bf6 shortens the game by allowing Mate in 1, but isn't as bad as 5...d6. 6...Be6 is called for instead, though he's still losing. Also, 5.Bc4 by you is a blunder against a good player, throwing away some of your advantage; an immediate 5.Qxg7 is called for. Otherwise, you played the right moves in an early Blackmar-Diemer Gambit.
14th December 2007, 07:48am
#4
by sushijunkie
Vestal, NY United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 15
Magicmunky wrote:

I don't know a great deal about the Centre counter but 3. Qxd4 seems abit weak

 


Center Counter, or Scandanavian Defense, is as follows: 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 or 2...Nf6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_counter

 

The game above is the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit :1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 with 3.Nc3 and 4.f3 to follow. 3.Qxd4 is not favored, but is playable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmar-Diemer_Gambit

14th December 2007, 08:07am
#5
by delta5ply
brooklyn ny United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 137
Clownfish wrote:

This was my win in 7 moves, but I didn't put it in the showcase, since I didn't win due to some particular skill to show off with, rather due my opponent's mistakes. My question is - where did he go totally wrong? I thought I could learn by his mistakes, if you point out what his worst blunder was. Blocking the check with the bishop? Doesn't this resemble scholar's mate?


 

14th December 2007, 08:20am
#6
by BlueKnightShade
Denmark
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 142
sushijunkie wrote: ... 5.Bc4 by you is a blunder against a good player, throwing away some of your advantage; an immediate 5.Qxg7 is called for. ...

 This is an important little part of the game. It is a good habit to play the best move that you can think of even against a weak player. Otherwise there is a danger that you get into a habit of playing badly. Therefore I certainly agree that 5. Qxg7 is called for.


14th December 2007, 08:24am
#7
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2165
This was not the Blackmar-Diemer gambit which goes 1. d4 d5 2. e4. This was 1. e4 e5 2. d4 which is called the Danish gambit.
14th December 2007, 12:12pm
#8
by Magicmunky
Cambridgeshire United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 89

Sorry Sushijunkie, I got the Centre counter and Centre game mixed up;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_Game

 


14th December 2007, 01:36pm
#9
by sangyk
SEOUL Korea, South
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 91
Instead of 4...Be7,  Black must play Qe7.
14th December 2007, 03:13pm
#10
by Clownfish
Uppsala Sweden
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 196

Thanx for much interesting input! It seems that it is indeed called the Centre Game, while it would've been the Danish Gambit if I had offered a pawn on c3 instead of taking his pawn with the Queen. On Wikipedia, it sais: "Black's next move is almost always 3...Nc6", which you have suggested above.

It is interesting to hear you say that one should always play the "best" move immediately, and not save it for later, while backing up and making it stronger, but risking not to be able to make it. If I wouldn't have done 5. Bc4, but 5. Qxg7, his Bf7 would have come earlier and actually been a problem! 5. Bc4 made him waste a 5. d6, but I guess you mean that, of course, I should not trust someone to make that blunder. I was lucky!

 Thanx again for your input!


 

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