I think its the owens gambit I played against here but I dont have a clue which strategy to use. Most bokos just pack in loads of analysis giving teh response to every possible move instead of explaining teh principles so someone please exlpain where I went wrong and how I should proceed. My next move is to move my knight if my opponent allows it

you need to show the diagram or something... not showing right now

sorry forgot to publish teh actual game lol. Btw is there any better features for posting games? like daigrams with navigation bar so you can clik through the game? 

 

[Event "Online Chess"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2008.05.01"]
[Round "1"]
[White "kings4breakfast"]
[Black "Jon_Beale"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "1996"]
[BlackElo "1808"]
[TimeControl "1 in 1 day"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Be7 6. d4 Nf6 7. dxe5 Ng4 8. Qd5 O-O 9. h3 Nh6 10. O-O b6 11. Bf4 Bb7 12. Re1 Kh8  *

Yes, when you are writing your post, there is a tool bar above the text area. The first icon on the far left is for inserting diagrams and move sequences. Click it and it will step you through the process.

I have inserted the game using the feature so that you might view it properly. Hope to get some good feedback. Cheers people, great site, great tools for posting in the forum

Evans gambit i think?

sorry that is the one dont know where I got owens gambit, dont think taht even exists. Sorry yeah we're talking about the evans gambit NOT the owen gambit

Hi Jon_Beale

 

Maybe I just read your intro wrong, but it sounded like this is an ongoing game (" My next move is to move my knight if my opponent allows it
")

 

Solicited advice on an ongoing game is not allowed - that is a form of cheating - i noticed you didn't ask for specfic advice (as in a move or a line to continue with), but for general advice about the objectives in the Evan's Gambit - this may or may not be allowed in an ongoing game, but you would be walking a very thin line in any case - i would suggest doing the best you can and then repost your inquiry after the game is complete

 

once completed, i am sure there are many players who could help you out - if nothing else, message me when it's over and i will be happy to go over the objectives and general ideas behind the Evan's

 

Art (Sarthe)

Why didn't you played 12....Nh5 ? And then exchange your Knight for his white bishop...

sarthe dont be sucha  wet flannel its a friendly game and I certainly have no intention of posting here asking for advice, if I was gonna try and cheat Id use fritz. This site is a learning tool not entry into the world championships and I like to relax, play a few games and learn from them. I dont care if my oppoent asks for qualitative advice on the opening and I dont mind if he wants to know where his faults lie in previous moves. I personally wouldn't even care if he asked what the best move was to mkae next but I'm not asking people that because thats the line I have drawn. Keep your ethical preaching to your self and dont take this so seriously its  just a game and I know tehre are peopel who love any good opportunity to moan or preach but I really have done nothing wrong, the game is in very different shape now and we're in the end game so any advice anyone gives me its not exactly going to be useful for my game but it will be useful for next time I face the evans gambit.

 

Orejano thanks for the feedback Ill have a look through my game and tell you what I think of your suggestion 

firstly can I ask if 5...Ba5 is a better move or not??? I dont know any notation for the evans gambit so dont know what the book move is but where I place my bishop is clearly of importance. I also wonder if its possibel to actually keep teh gambit pawn till the nedgame seeing as my own position is no exactly in bad shape after accepting the gambit. Nh5 is not a possible move for black btw

btw look at my win ratio and tell me do I really need to cheat??? I've won 100% of my games

ok everyone I have just resigned the game. Thats how much I care about my rating so you can give me feedback witha  clear conscience. If you need further clarification then check my games and look at the last game (the only one Ive lost) and you'll see I resigned

Jon_Beale, I gave you the wrong notation. What I mean to say was: Why didn't you play 12...Na5 and then you simply took his light squared bishop?.

I realize that you aren't trying to cheat by getting feedback.  It's just against the rules of the site and most players here try to uphold the rules so we don't end up with forums filled with actual cheating.  I know it can be a pain, but the analysis could wait 'til you're done, right?  You didn't need to resign.

Actually, there is a "gambit" in the Owen's defense that Andrew Martin advocates, and is a pretty provocative manner of opening against king pawn games...you have to understand the defense of the king, otherwise, it is not worth playing, but you are up in material if White obliges... My computer will not let me insert a diagram, if anyone can follow up and insert it for me, that would be wonderful...

e4 b6 (Owen's Defense, aiming at crippling White's center with Bb7, f5, Nf6, etc.)

d4 Bb7

Bd3 (the "most" solid response against Owen's defense, aiming to crush Black spatially) g6 (a modern approach to Owen's Defense - the old line with e6 is less effective now that White has the option of shoring up his center with c3, so the bishop finds greater possibilities on the a1-h8 diagonal, and still prepares kingside castling)

Now, if White wishes to play an early aggressive line to cripple Black spatially, he normally plays f4 here.  It is obvious that he is much better in space, but every pawn move leaves a piece undeveloped, and Black can respond with f5!

Normally, Black wouldn't want to develop like this, weakening his kingside, but the White rook is en-prise if White continues with exf5 - bxg2! and the rook is lost.  The reason that Black can play this way is that his king can escape an initial onslaught by the queen, pawn and bishop:

After fxg, then Bg7!... Now the rook is defended, the king can run to f8 if Qh5+, and he can then chase the king with Nf6, Rxh7 and have open lines at White's kingside.

This kind of opening would be great for blitz, for many reasons, and surprisingly, even playable at normal time controls, as White would have few options available from book lines to use.  This is a psychological opening...something you use against an opponent who wants to kill you from move 1.  You know that they are going to play things that are highly aggressive, and you play something that "caters" to their style, and all of a sudden, they see that bishop fly from b7 to g2 and they realize that they made a mistake.  The next thing that happens is that they get mad, and they want to kill your king, and so fxg...just be calm and cool, and look for ways to consolidate into an endgame.

So what if they play f4 f5, but don't play exf?  Well, you can equalize easily...they may play something like Qe2 to support the e-pawn, defend g2, and prepare to battle the b7-bishop.  So then fxe Bxe BxB QxB Nc6 and Nf6...I wish I had a board here to show the ideas.

Now, the last point...what if they don't play f4?  Then they are playing a more modest approach to chess, and surely a creative player with the Black pieces can play a creative scheme...remember, in hypermodern openings, the idea is to develop, then confront the center to weaken it, then to exploit the weaknesses.  You have to give White early space to have something to fight against.  An example of something besides f4 might be Nf3.  Then I believe a lot of players with the Black pieces play into an early e5 strike, AKA king's indian idea...of course, you may find something else that is cool and original too!

So finally, here is that opening sequence again...

1. e4 b6 2. d4 Bb7 3. Bd3 g6 4. f4 f5 5. exf5 Bxg2 6. fxg6 Bg7 7.Qh5+ Kf8

From here, depending on White's play, imagine Nf6 and Bxh1, and then the rest is up for grabs!  Who knows, you may get something like Kf7 Qg8 and Rf8 going on with a full attack on the White kingside! lol...Most important, hope you have fun trying a new idea!