Queen side vs. King side Castle

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28th October 2007, 03:31pm
#1
by DJS200
NY United States
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I was wondering what the conventional wisdom is regarding castling towards the queen side vs. the king side.

Any thoughts?


28th October 2007, 04:24pm
#2
by erikido23
United States
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DJS200 wrote:

I was wondering what the conventional wisdom is regarding castling towards the queen side vs. the king side.

Any thoughts?


It depends on the position and your preference of style of play. 


28th October 2007, 10:53pm
#3
by TalFan
Perth Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 770
King side is considered to place your king in a more safe position , however it is best to not castle immediately , instead wait to seewhih way your opponent lines up his pieces , then castle in the opposite side. Also , note if there are any open files , this will allow your opponent an easier attak on that side.
28th October 2007, 11:07pm
#4
by TonightOnly
Phoenix, AZ United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 1521
Neither of these comments is what he was looking for I'm sure. I would really like to hear what a strong player has to say on this subject. Bill?
28th October 2007, 11:43pm
#5
by HotFlow
KL, Malaysia Malaysia
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Member Points: 2271

Asshole?


29th October 2007, 05:03pm
#6
by michaelg
Canada
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it depend on the position. but the most of the time the player who can attack first with the pawn has advantage. (i think)

 

 

 


30th October 2007, 10:02pm
#7
by erikido23
United States
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tonightonly7 wrote: Neither of these comments is what he was looking for I'm sure. I would really like to hear what a strong player has to say on this subject. Bill?

Well then he didn't want to know the answer to the question.  It will ALWAYS depend on the whole board. 


30th October 2007, 10:32pm
#8
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
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You generally want to castle on the side which will put your rooks on more active squares and/or make your king safer. If you don't know the answer to those questions, perhaps you're castling too early! You want to be ready to castle as quickly as possible, but it's often useful to delay the actual move. Another consideration is that if you and your opponent castle on opposite sides, a pawn storm will typically follow.

 

Also watch for tactics... after queenside castling your rooks are often vulnerable to forks and your a-pawn may be unprotected. On the plus side, enemy bishops and knights are sometimes trappable when they carelessly steal your rook pawn.


7th January 2008, 09:40am
#9
by Vance917
North Potomac, Maryland United States
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Member Points: 1157
When I castle early, my king usually gets trapped, so I tend to castle later in the game.  Queenside gets more room for the king in the corner.
7th January 2008, 09:44am
#10
by demonic_seer
Ephrata, PA United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 19

The ramifications of castling are as following:

-If the pawn structure is compromised on a side, then do not castle on that side.

-There are exceptions...

-If the queenside castle is unavailable, due to castling through check, then castle on the kingside unless it will hurt you, because of an attack on both your king and queenside.

-If there is an attack with a castle, which is why you could just wait and not move your king or rook (either side) if possible and just wait until the endgame, which is unlikely, or wait until the other person castles and castle on the opposite side or attack.

In a lot of the games that I have played outside of chess.com, I have seen this a lot.

 

-d_seer

7th January 2008, 09:55am
#11
by farpro
MO United States
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mojojo33 wrote: what are the ramifications of black and white castling to opposite sides?

 I read in a book that castling to opposite sides is a sign of aggressive play because it opens up files in the middle of the board for the Rooks to run their courses.


7th January 2008, 10:50am
#12
by Fotoman
Philippines
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 583
farpro wrote: mojojo33 wrote: what are the ramifications of black and white castling to opposite sides?

 I read in a book that castling to opposite sides is a sign of aggressive play because it opens up files in the middle of the board for the Rooks to run their courses.


This is an example of what can happen to white when he castles on the queenside. Note that I did finally castle on the kingside but it was very late. Hope this helps.

7th January 2008, 11:12am
#13
by camdawg7
Grenada Grenada
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Member Points: 286

always depends on the position of the board.

 

7th January 2008, 12:04pm
#14
by Unbeliever
United States
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It will always depend on the game position.  Sometimes it is best to Queenside castle in order to apply pressure to the center.  Other times your Queenside may be compromised, and castling Kingside is the only way to protect the King.
14th March 2009, 05:31pm
#15
by LokiMundane
South Caroline United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 192

I played a street player otb in Chicago who's whole strategy was based on attacking a king side castle. On the second and third games I refrained from casteling and his whole game fell apart.

23rd October 2009, 12:25am
#16
by khalim
NYC United States
Member Since: Sep 2009
Member Points: 6
LokiMundane wrote:

I played a street player otb in Chicago who's whole strategy was based on attacking a king side castle. On the second and third games I refrained from casteling and his whole game fell apart.


Man... I absolutely HATE to give away my game... but many times (upon jumping back into the game after about 2 years) I've found that NOT castling leaves an opponent confused and enables me to focus more on material gain.  Of course if they focused more on that too, instead of which direction I would castle on, then I'd be in bad shape. I've always held castling to be an escape... not a strategy. I'm sure it's possible to make my opponent's castle part of my strategy... but I'm not there yet.  I mean hey... can't you "force" someone to castle kingside and have an attack in mind on that side anyway?

23rd October 2009, 12:54am
#17
by KnightShifter
California United States
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Member Points: 63

Castling on the same side will often lead to a more positionally styled game. I say this only in comparison to what castling on opposite sides is like. Castling on opposite sides will usually result in more tactical games. Pawns are often worth much less than open lines against the opposing king.

 

I think it really depends what kind of player you are. People are saying that it depends on the position. While this is true, the whole point of the opening is to make the position favorable to your style of play. So it is mostly true that you can castle on whichever side you want to... as long as you have this goal in mind from the beginning of the game.

23rd October 2009, 03:29pm
#18
by NM tonydal
United States
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Member Points: 4872
farpro wrote:


I read in a book that castling to opposite sides is a sign of aggressive play because it opens up files in the middle of the board for the Rooks to run their courses.


It often leads to pawn storms on the opposing kings.  But sometimes when the center is wide open that strategy isn't nearly so effective.

25th October 2009, 02:21am
#19
by aijp
Brisbane Australia
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 902

There's some odd advice in this thread. Most strong players will castle early against strong opposition. As many say, it depends on the position, but if forced to generalize I would say castling Q side is generally more aggressive and risky. If you're black and shy of a fight, wait for white to castle and castle on the same side.

25th October 2009, 08:05pm
#20
by robotronic
New York United States
Member Since: Aug 2009
Member Points: 17

I find that castling queenside is generally more aggressive than castling kingside. Queenside castling activates your rook on the d file immediately, whereas kingside castling usually puts your rook right behind your pawn on f2 and requires a tempo to move the rook to a more active square.

Also note that you can create a queen and rook battery easily by moving your queen to d2 followed by O-O-O; you can create mate threats easily with this quick series of moves.

 

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